Saw-Bones
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Do you have to submit a form 5320.20 to transport a silencer across state lines?
Transporting a silencer across state lines
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medalguy
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And if it's a permanent move BATF would appreciate a courtesy letter informing them of your new address.
pjeski
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More specifically (from the instructions):
a. A written request and prior authorization from ATF to transport interstate
or in foreign commerce any destructive device, machinegun, short-
barreled rifle, or short-barreled shotgun is required under the provisions
of Section 922 (a)(4), Title 18, U.S.C., and Section 478.28, Title 27,
CFR, a letter of request, in duplicate, containing all information required
on this form, may be submitted in lieu of the form.
pjeski
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Theohazard
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And AOWs. A Form 20 is not required for silencers and AOWs.zoom6zoom said:
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Saw-Bones
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Thanks for the reply guys, but you brought up form 20 and I’m not familiar with it.
I have a machine gun, a Ruger AC-556, and I’m only aware of form 5320.20 for transporting it across state lines... what gives?
I have a machine gun, a Ruger AC-556, and I’m only aware of form 5320.20 for transporting it across state lines... what gives?
Theohazard
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That's the full name of the Form 20: It's officially referred to as "ATF Form 5320.20".Saw-Bones said:
I never understood why so many people say the full name of the Form 20. Nobody says the full name of the Form 1 (5320.1) or the full name of the Form 4 (5320.4)...
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Saw-Bones
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Theohazard - Up until now my only reference to form 5320.20 was by way of the BATFE official publications and I never saw the use of "form" 20 in them. I appreciate the heads up on the in-guy's jargon and I now that I know it I can be one of the cool machinegun dudes!
dogtown tom
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Because there is no such beast as a "Form 20".
Form 1, Form 2, Form 3, Form 4 .............all appear in the bottom corner of each page of those documents.
This thread is the first time I've ever heard of someone referring to a "Form 20".
pjeski
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The form 4 says at the bottom "ATF Form 4 (5320.4)". The form 20 says "ATF form 5320.20". Form 4's are referred to as "Form 4" because they are 5320.4. Form 20's are "Form 20" for the same reason.
ETA: But then again a form 6 is a 5330.3a. Either way, it's hard to believe you've never heard a 5320.20 referred to as a "form 20".
ETA: But then again a form 6 is a 5330.3a. Either way, it's hard to believe you've never heard a 5320.20 referred to as a "form 20".
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dogtown tom
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If they were they would say "Form 20 (5320.20)" but they don't.....they clearly say "Form 5320.20"
Your logic would make sense if all ATF forms followed such format........but they don't:
The Form 4473 (5300.9) Part 1 .............isn't referred to as a Form 9 is it?
Nor is the Form 4587 (5330.4) referred to as a Form 4.........'cause it isn't a Form 4.
pjeski
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Just google "ATF form 20", and see how many results don't return 5320.20. It may be that only you and saw-bones have never heard of it referred to as one.
I've been trying to google to seem which came first, 5320.4 or "form 4" and am having no luck. It would be interesting to know.
I've been trying to google to seem which came first, 5320.4 or "form 4" and am having no luck. It would be interesting to know.
pjeski
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Just google "ATF form 20", and see how many results don't return 5320.20.
dogtown tom
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I did.
And the results aren't what you think they are.
Nearly every Google result was "Form 5320.20"............NOT Form 20. You will get similar results Googling any random number.
I even did a search of the atf.gov website............not a single mention of a "Form 20".
Someone looking on ATF.gov for a copy of the Form 20 will be looking for a long time......because it doesn't exist.
pjeski
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What are you talking about? I searched google for "atf form 20". The top result was guntrustlawyer.com discussing 5320.20 referring to it as a "form 20". The second result was the atf site .pdf of the form 20. I have never heard anyone refer to is as "fifty three twenty dot twenty", always a "form 20".
ETA: And on the ATF site, search for "form 20", the third result was the form.
You're just arguing to argue, aren't you.
ETA: And on the ATF site, search for "form 20", the third result was the form.
You're just arguing to argue, aren't you.
dogtown tom
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And other than "guntrustlawer.com" ..........how many results were actually 5320.20? I'll tell you.........nearly all.
Good grief. No it wasn't.
Here is the search result copied and pasted exactly as it appears on the ATF site:
Do you even understand how search engines work?
Not only does that result not link to a "Form 20" (because no such form exists) but it CLEARLY shows the search terms highlighted in bold text.
By looking at all the results you'll see the ATF site returns every instance of "Form" and "20".
The only "Form 20" result on the ATF sight is actually a page from the Federal Register. It's the first result because "Form: and "20" occur the most often on that page........but never together.
Really? Just on this forum there are 326 posts specifically referring to the Form 53220.20.
Let us know how many posts refer to a "Form 20"
Horsehockey.
As I mentioned above there is no "Form 20" on the ATF website. Using a search feature means it looks for any string of numbers that has the terms "Form" and "20" in them.
As are you.
Since last night I've spoken to two other dealers and my ATF IOI.......none knew what a Form 20 was.
pjeski
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UncleAnd other than "guntrustlawer.com" ..........how many results were actually 5320.20? I'll tell you.........nearly all.
Good grief. No it wasn't.
Here is the search result copied and pasted exactly as it appears on the ATF site:
Do you even understand how search engines work?
Not only does that result not link to a "Form 20" (because no such form exists) but it CLEARLY shows the search terms highlighted in bold text.
By looking at all the results you'll see the ATF site returns every instance of "Form" and "20".
The only "Form 20" result on the ATF sight is actually a page from the Federal Register. It's the first result because "Form: and "20" occur the most often on that page........but never together.
Really? Just on this forum there are 326 posts specifically referring to the Form 53220.20.
Let us know how many posts refer to a "Form 20"
Horsehockey.
As I mentioned above there is no "Form 20" on the ATF website. Using a search feature means it looks for any string of numbers that has the terms "Form" and "20" in them.
As are you.
Since last night I've spoken to two other dealers and my ATF IOI.......none knew what a Form 20 was.
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Sour Kraut
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:banghead:When the old Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division of the Treasury Department was given the addition duty of regulating firearms (because the NFA and FFA were officially tax measures, since the Federal government could not constitutionally regulate private business, then seen as a state function), they made up the forms, using numbers in line with the existing Treasury forms. Thus, Form 1, Form 4, etc.
When the government underwent one of its periodic "Paperwork Reforms", the form numbering was changed to comply with someone's idea of efficiency. But since the public was affected, and people had become used to the old numbers, the forms folks try to keep both the old and new form numbers. I suppose one might think of them as the "real name" and the "nickname", in the forms world.
Jim
When the government underwent one of its periodic "Paperwork Reforms", the form numbering was changed to comply with someone's idea of efficiency. But since the public was affected, and people had become used to the old numbers, the forms folks try to keep both the old and new form numbers. I suppose one might think of them as the "real name" and the "nickname", in the forms world.
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