Trouble for NJ is Brewing Again

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Corzine has been floating the idea of making NJ the first "totally gun free" State in the Country. With his political power i'm afraid he just not might be able to be stopped this time.

The last paragraph is what scares me the most.


2 days after the election and Ceasefire NJ is allready salavating.



Ceasefire may be answer to a real terror stalking our streets
Thursday, November 09, 2006
Maybe, now, we get a genuine war against terror.

The terror that, every few weeks, flashes soon-forgotten pictures of mourning mothers and other relatives, frequently poor and black or Hispanic, across television screens or newspaper pages.

Happens so often, the stories blur in our minds.

A 15-year-old from girl Elizabeth. A 17-year-old from Newark's Ironbound.

Five little Amish girls in Nickel Mines, Pa.

"The attitude of legislators has been disgraceful," says Tom Jardim, the former mayor of Westfield, now board chairman of an organization called Ceasefire New Jersey. "But maybe that can change."

Maybe.

Know how many people were killed by terrorists in the United States in 2003, the last year a tally was compiled by the Centers for Disease Control?

None.

Know how many were killed by guns that same year?

30,106.

In one year, ten times as many people died from gunshot wounds as died from terrorist attacks on 9/11. In one year, ten times as many Americans died from shootings in the United States as American soldiers died in Iraq since the beginning of the war.

Our children are dying. Those who do often are shot to death. The second leading cause of death among those 15 to 24, after accidents (mostly in cars) is homicide -- 5,368; of those 4,410 were killed by guns. Of those 4,410, 3,006 -- more than 68 percent -- were African-Americans.

But homicide by gun, not accidents, is the leading cause of death of black males between the ages of 15 and 34. Ninety percent of all deliberate deaths among young African-American men were caused by shootings.

The people behind Ceasefire New Jersey have helped pass some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country here.

"It's a great state for that," says Bryan Miller, the group's executive director. Other states are not so great. Like Pennsylvania, for example, where guns can be purchased a lot easier than they can be here. Ask the Amish parents in Nickel Mines.

In fact, nearly 90 percent of gun-related crimes in Newark a few years ago -- when the federal government was still making detailed trace information available -- came from guns purchased outside New Jersey.

Big business in other states. So-called "straw purchasers" can go into gun malls, buy guns for a fee, turn them over to the real purchasers, who then sell them to kids in our cities.

"A cheap handgun is less expensive than a good pair of sneakers," says Miller. Maybe about $75.

But, even with a new Congress, don't expect federal gun control legislation. Many new Democrats elected Tuesday are as pro-gun as Republicans who lost.

"So long as Washington is awash with gun money, you won't see meaningful federal regulation," says Miller, whose brother, an FBI agent, was killed when a street thug walked into Washington D.C. Police headquarters in 1994 and opened fire without saying a word.

Miller's group wants to outlaw .50-caliber guns and bullets. No particular use for them here, except to kill cops wearing body armor. Or for a terrorist to shoot down an airplane or blow up a tank farm of toxic chemicals.

They are trying to revive interest in child-proof guns. A bill requiring them passed years ago but, supposedly, the technology has yet to be developed. His group also is lobbying municipal councils to have certain guns banned or restricted within city limits.

Finally, Ceasefire New Jersey hopes to push for tougher state laws -- here and in other states -- against gun-trafficking.

"How could anyone be against laws that prevent people from buying hundreds of guns in one store just to bring them across a state line?" Miller asks.

Good question. Easy answer: The sale and manufacture of guns makes money for people, and some of that money can buy votes.

"The anti-gun lobby doesn't have the money to contribute to politicians," says Alex Menza, a former state senator and judge, now on Ceasefire New Jersey's board and an advocate of a ban on all handguns in the state, except for police use. "Disgusting."

But true.

Bob Braun's columns appear Monday and Thursday. He may be reached at [email protected] or (973) 392 4281.




© 2006 The Star Ledger
© 2006 NJ.com All Rights Reserved.
 
What a bunch of crock! I'm so glad I moved out of there.

Knowing the climate up there, I would say some type of restrictions are almost inevitable. NJ is part of the Soccer Mom Belt (along with the rest of the NorthEast) and what they say pretty much goes, IMO.

Now, here's what I find interesting. Several weeks ago, there was a young man shot in the head in Asbury Park. He was pretty popular in the nieghborhood and there was a lot of fallout. It's interesting to me how articles like this will point out stories that touch all of us -- the Nickel Mines shooting, for instance; but leave out the stories that don't contribute to their cause...such as the recent Asbury Park shooting.

Why do you think that shooting was left out, you ask? Because the deceased and suspect were believed to be in the middle of a drug transaction and that was the supposed reason for the shooting. So of course a totally criminal scenario like that wouldn't be used.
 
i'm amazed that in that article they actually admit that:

1. they classify children as 15-24 years of age(i know our young adults are generally immature in this country, but calling a 20 to 24 year old a child!?!)

2. they actually admit that cars kill more people than guns

3. they actually admit that gun violence is an urban minority problem, almost exclusively.(which begs the question, 'how are gun laws that affect everybody going to fix a problem in a VERY specific, comparatively small community?')

yet, this tripe will assuredly be gulped up by empty heads all over the state. by the way, can anybody tell me what store i can get a handgun from for 'less than a pair of sneakers'? i'd like to buy a few.
 
We look for easy and polite answers for the problems faced by Black America.


Yes it's the guns, that's what it is.
 
30,106.

:scrutiny:

that number includes:
self defense shootings
police shootings
accidental deaths on military bases
suicides
ect

If they reall wanted to save lives they would try to ban cigarettes.
 
They were probably talking about the $400 pairs of Nike Air Jordan Maxes to the 5th Power with the hydrogen-filled air soles, super-23rd century-adavanced plastic soles, and landing lights.

In all seriousness though, I will concede that cheap guns can be bought for little money. But that's all over the country and not exclusive to New Jersey. As I tried to allude to in my previous post, they still refuse to look at the root cause of the issues. Guns don't go off by themselves...there are factors at large that cause people to seek a gun for revenge, or protection, or for crime. Those are the issues that need to be addressed.
 
Yup, you guys out there on the east coast got your work cut out for you. I'd lend a hand however we have our own problems right here in River City.

How many cops out there were shot with the .50 cal. anyway? Were they wearing defective armor?

Airplanes and toxic chemical farms attacked by terrorists with .50 cals?

Public education is needed on a regular basis to repel the harangue of the socialists.

Off to buy my allotment of a hundred guns today.

Vick
 
So-called "straw purchasers" can go into gun malls, buy guns for a fee, turn them over to the real purchasers, who then sell them to kids in our cities.
I realize this a is press release, but do they expect readers to believe that there are "gun malls" out here in the red states? :rolleyes:
 
Ignorance is bliss. Just spout the lies you have been given and go with it.
I would love to meet someone who has purchased guns at a gun mall or hundreds at a time. Here is my email:

Dear Mr. Braun,

I came across a link to your article entitled "Ceasfire...". I would just like to ask you, if Congress is awash in all this gun money, how much are you being paid by Ceasfire to spout their party line and pass it off as journalism?

I won't presume to believe that I can hold your attention with an email because your writing style leaves little doubt that you truly believe the things that you have written, despite the fact that they are illogical and irrational. I just can't help but point out the obvious irony of the Ceasfire "facts". I'll just use one because the others are like bobbing for apples in a paper cup.

Ceasfire claims, "Our children are dying. Those who do often are shot to death. The second leading cause of death among those 15 to 24..."

Children are are not 15-24, those are called teenagers and adults. As a matter of fact, that age group is compromised only of 1/3 minor age individuals, which still couldn't be considered chldren by a long shot.

As a matter of fact, every single person in that age group is capable of obtaining a driver's license (hardship in some cases) in most states, hardly a child if they are responsible enough to drive a car, which you admit is more dangerous than a gun. Strange, they can use a deadlier weapon than a gun but they are still a child?

Rather than show you the falsehoods of every statement you make, how about you actually find evidence to support these claims. Real facts.

1) Show me a single incident involving a police officer killed with a legally purchased .50 caliber weapon who was wearing industry standard IIIa body armor. (Hint: None)

2) Show me a single person alive who can bring down a 600mph plane with a 50 caliber rifle. (Hint: None, in WWII they used batteries of 50 cal MGs and couldn't do it)

3) Show me a single industry (chemical) study detailing the possibility of a 50 caliber rifle posing a threat to their facilities (Hint: None, toxic chemical tanks are made to withstand much more than a rifle round, that report is out there)

4) Show me a single instance in which someone purchased over 100 guns in a single store and sold them in N.J. (Hint: Impossible, the ATF traces any sale of handguns over 2 in one week, it would never be approved by the FFL or the ATF)

I love the irony of your closing paragraph,

"The anti-gun lobby doesn't have the money to contribute to politicians," says Alex Menza, a former state senator and judge, now on Ceasefire New Jersey's board and an advocate of a ban on all handguns in the state, except for police se. "Disgusting."

You see, the anti-gun groups, which do make political contributions too, don't need to buy votes or advertisements. When people like you pass off their tripe as responsible journalism you give them credit and a free chance at votes by legitimizing their illogical rhetoric with no chance for a factual retort to the falsehoods you print for free.

I sincerely hope you actually do some research on the purchase of weapons (it is obvious you have never purchased a weapon from an FFL), the ballistic capability of a 50 caliber weapon, or the real statistics of children dying. The latter would show you that children, individuals under 12 years old, are more likely to drown in a bucket or bathtub than in an accidental shooting.

Sincerely,

XXX
 
can go into gun malls

Is this some new catchphrase in the anti-movement, or just one knucklehead's bizarre rhetoric.

I can visualize it now:

"Honey, I'm just going to nip into Berretta, Benelli & Beyond. I'll meet you in the food court after you get back from Lugers 'n' Things."

-MV
 
great letter deavis. of course, writing it to him is likely the equivelant of spitting in the ocean, but well done. maybe enough people will, and he will be physically crushed by the collective weight of truth hoisted on top of him.
 
The second leading cause of death among those 15 to 24, after accidents (mostly in cars) is homicide -- 5,368; of those 4,410 were killed by guns. Of those 4,410, 3,006 -- more than 68 percent -- were African-Americans.

But homicide by gun, not accidents, is the leading cause of death of black males between the ages of 15 and 34. Ninety percent of all deliberate deaths among young African-American men were caused by shootings.

The real question should be: Why are Black Skinned Americans killing each other at a much higher rate than other Americans? This question is not intended to be racist or bigoted.

Most people believe that crime is predominately a problem of large cities, that have depressed economic conditions, slums where living conditions are atrocious, children don't have two parents to raise them, social services are inadequate, and schools are below standard.

If we look at the population of cities like that, what do we find? The majority is composed of Black Skinned Americans and Hispanics. It is not surprising that the majority of homicides committed with firearms would be in those populations.

Do firearms cause the conditions that lead people to murder their fellow citizens? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Will people find other methods to kill if firearms are not available? Certainly. Murder has been a part of human existence since Cain slew Able, thousands of years ago. Friearms have made murder easier to commit, just as they have made it easier to defend against murder. Eliminating firearms may reduce the numbers of murders, or it may increase the number of murders - killing with sharp instruments and blunt objects takes more strength to accomplish, but also more strength to defend against.

Greed, envy, jealousy, anger, hate and rage are the reasons people kill their fellow man; eliminating the primary tool used to commit murder will just force a switch to a different tool. Society needs to address the reason WHY people murder, instead of HOW they commit murder, if a reduction in violent death is the real goal.

It is not obvious that reducing violence is the true goal of those advocating elimination of tools that can be used for both offense and defense. Reasonable suspicion exists that the goal of these people is to gain political power, and eventually control over the general population, which will be incapable of resisting the armed forces of those in control of the firearms that might have enabled the peons to resist becoming slaves.
 
How awful. Why should New Jersey be the first gun free state? New York, Illinois, Maryland, California, Ohio, and many other states could get that title if they will just move a little faster. There's no stopping a good idea whose time has come. Let's send the Republicans a message!
 
How awful. Why should New Jersey be the first gun free state?

Preaching to the choir here, but the worst thing about a gun-free state is the total breakdown in logic that will occur following it.

IF they achieve a gun-free state, it will have minimal effect on crime committed w/ guns.

HOWEVER, rather than admit that the laws did no good, I'll be $100 that they blame all the other states around them, rather than admit failure.

-MV
 
Just one more reason to add to the ever lengthening list of why i'm determined to get the hell out of here and back to the United States of America, across the river in Pa.
 
IF they achieve a gun-free state, it will have minimal effect on crime committed w/ guns.
Actually, it will have a huge effect on crime committed with guns....the rate will skyrocket. With zero chance of encountering armed civilians on the street or their homes, any armed thug will rule the day. The UK, Australia and the streets of Washington DC have taught that lesson, but I guess Corzine and the other liberal states just want to keep repeating the lesson.
 
If New Jersey becomes "totally gun free" I would suspect that the Supreme Court would eventually have to settle the 2nd amendment question once and for all.

A "gun free" New Jersey would be in direct conflict with the 2nd if it is to be interpreted at all as an "individual" right.

The outcome would be that the 2nd finally gets incorporated into the 14th and that would severly limit states' ability to infringe on 2A rights. Or conversly, the supremes would allow such a ban to stand under the "collective/militia" right interpretation. I would think that if the later were to come to pass, it would seem that the liberty tree would need to be watered again.

drc
 
Preaching to the choir here, but the worst thing about a gun-free state is the total breakdown in logic that will occur following it.

IF they achieve a gun-free state, it will have minimal effect on crime committed w/ guns.

HOWEVER, rather than admit that the laws did no good, I'll be $100 that they blame all the other states around them, rather than admit failure.

That's exactly what happens in DC. In Washington, DC there is a complete handgun ban and some long guns are allowed only on a very restrictive basis. Violent crime is rampant. There is a constant chorus that it is due to the "easy availability" of guns in VA (and sometimes they also say MD, but usually VA is their target).

If New Jersey becomes "totally gun free" I would suspect that the Supreme Court would eventually have to settle the 2nd amendment question once and for all.
Maybe you're right, but more likely they'll ignore it. Chicago and DC have basically total gun bans, NYC is extremely restrictive, and the Supreme Court doesn't seem to care. Why would a state get their attention?
 
I wanna go to the "Gun Mall" they speak of. All my ARs are gonna be in Burberry! And maybe a nice Gucci leather sling to go with it. No Urban Camo after Labor Day! :neener:
 
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