Truck guns?? THR'ers, I request thy divine insight...

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Lee enfield Jungle carbine.

Lighter that the competition..
Faster than the Competition.
As cheap as the competition.
As accurate as the competitiion.
Wanna bet you can beat bad guy armor with one?

Ya can be just like me, one behind the back seat, several hundred rounds with it.

WildtheultimatecargunAlaska
 
I have an itty-bitty car. Space is it at a premium. I keep a duffle bag in the trunk with a couple of blankets, a few cans of food, a first aid kit, water, some car stuff and a Mosin M38. I have six strippers that work so I keep them loaded and in the back as well. Can't spread as much lead as a AK or an SKS but I am a good enough shot at short range to give a good accounting of myself.

ZM
 
In California you can have a Springfield M1A (with brake, so it's not a CA 'assault weapon) on your passanger seat, with a loaded mag sitting RIGHT NEXT to the gun, but not in it. Same aplies to a Kel-tec SU-16, which is my choice for car/truck gun(s).
 
RIGHT NEXT to the gun, but not in it
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heh. Not in Contra Costa County.
I used to be friends with a couple deputies out there. I was assured by them that they had specific instructions from Sheriff Rupf , i.e., if a loaded magazine is in the compartment with the gun, the firearm is loaded whether or not the mag is actually in the gun. Contrary to P.C.? Yep. Enforced? Yep.
I DO NOT miss the county and state of my birth.
I gotta give it to you guys back there. It's a tough choice to stay and fight.
 
Hrm, I think I might go to Contra Costa and drive around with a busted tail light. I could use the $ from the resulitng civil suit.


Aparently, there is a PC providing "Acessibility of ammunition, and accessibiility of gun == loaded gun" the trouble is, it is applied to Statuatory Street Gang members, ONLY. I cannot find it right now for some reason. (not that CA gun law is an ugly hiddious mess or anything...)


Section 12031 that applies to us:

(g) A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of this section when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm; except that a muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.
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Section 12025
Change definition of 'loaded' for UNREGISTERED HANDGUNS Applies only to handguns
(6) By imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment if both of the following conditions are met:
(A) Both the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from that firearm are either in the immediate possession of the person or readily accessible to that person, or the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is loaded as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12031.
(B) The person is not listed with the Department of Justice pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 11106, as the registered owner of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
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Oh, stay and fight? YOU BET YOUR ASS!
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http://www.truckvault.com/seatvault.asp
That is exactly what I've been looking for. Unfortunately I drive a Ford. :cuss:

I don't currently keep any firearms in the truck as I work on school construction jobs and having a gun on a school campus is a no-no. However I'm about to change jobs and will probably start keeping a handgun and rifle in the truck.

I do not envision needing this in any sort of day-to-day self defense scenario. I prefer to have a rifle already in the truck because in the event I have to evacuate for a hurricane it's one less thing to pack. It's also there with me in the event that I have to evacuate without going home for some reason.

Since I can't get a truckvault, I'll probably have one built to fit my specific application.

My truck rifle will be an A1 slick side 20" 1:12 upper and a cavarms lower. I'm waiting on a stock mounted mag pouch and it will be all done. I envision needing to carry this rifle more than shoot it, and because of that I want it to be as light as possible.

I live in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area. There are hundreds of thousands (millions) of people living here. Crime is an issue. The new job is in Miami Beach. With the gunvault type of compartment that I intend to use, the only way a thief is really going to get the rifle is by stealing the truck first. Yes, this is obviously a possiblity, but when surrounded by cars costing 2-10 times as much, I don't worry too much about my 4 year old Ford getting snatched.
 
Thats a pretty conspicuous location, though.
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I've debated about one of these for a while but haven't done it because of this concern. Has anyone installed one of these and found a way to hide the rifle without sacrificing accessability?

Around here I'm more concerned about four legged varmits than two. I carry an Argie Mauser with peep sights for more reach than rate of fire.
 
one point that has not been addressed is that in a lethal force situation you have may have lots of people in the impact area, also whats going to happen to those rifle rounds after they pass thru the targeted bad guy?

The second point that I should make is that I noticed in Mass Ayoob's book
The Ayoob Files there are several cases were LEO's could not reach there long guns secured in the trunk without taking fire from the goblin in question.

third point I was reading a book that covered E&E and the author stated that picking up a weapon that did not give you fire superiority was just giving you a false sense of security.

Having said the above I'm starting to rethink the trunk gun situation and I may go with a NEF rifle or a beater deer rifle not sure yet.
 
fjolnirsson
" I drive a very small pickup. 1987 Nissan standard cab. Now that I live where a loaded long gun is legal, it will most likely be an M44, based on space considerations and cost."
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I've carried this Carbine in my standard cab Toyota for years.
But after the Tyler shooting I think I'll replace the Carbines with something that's sure to go through a vest.

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M2 Carbine, how did you attach the carbine to stay in place like that ? Does it rub or have any wear from rubbing ? Think an SKS would fit like that ?

I have a 94 standard cab toyota 4X4 also, but I don't think I have enough room behind my seat, I have to have seat pushed all the way to the rear for me to fit in it. I'm just looking for mounting ideas. Also how is that revolver mounted ?

Thanks for any info. :)
 
Does "fire superiority" mean being able to defeat a bad guys armor?
I'm not real clear on the definition of the term. First impression is being able to hose the area down with more rounds, but that isn't superior in my opinion. Only hits count, and in the event of armored bad guys, only hits that defeat armor count, altho, with a decent rifle a head shot is a more realistic possibility if necessary. "Fire superiority" in a practical sense would seem to be "friring in a more superior manor" than your adversary. This could be firing more accurately, firing sooner and hitting, or firing an adequet round for the situation.

I've had a window type gun rack behind the seat of a couple of my trucks. They seem to work out well screwed to the body with heavy sheet metal screws behind the seat, the seat didn't cause any problems if it's located right, (at least in the ones I did).. A 2 gun rack gives some utility without getting too crowded. I used a one gun rack once, it was good too.

I had a Ford extra cab PU that I built a shelf behind the seat for the dog to lay on. It was a few inches below the top of the seat. Underneath was room for gear, guns, coats etc. I hung a saddle scabbard on the front of it, and with the split bench seat it was simple to access with the door open.

In my Nissan extra cab PU I laid a rifle behind the seats on the floor out of sight, (had shelf in it too) and often laid one along the front of the seats. works out well, and is out of sight for the most part. Easy to access with the door open, and can be accessed from either side if necessary. I use the same across the front of the seat on the floor in my Suburban now.
 
CARman, The black bar is the jack handle, held there by brackets. All I did was put snaps on a couple nylon straps to hang the Carbine from the jack handle. Then I used self sticking Velcro (loop side) to cushion where the rifle might get rubbed. The red and white thing is an old sock over a seat frame in case the rifle might swing forward and rub. I really overdid it making sure the gun didn't get dinged but it's rode there for years without getting a scratch.

I don't know what length rifle will fit there. Not much longer.

That holster just happened to fit the seat frame perfect at that spot. It even rocks forward with the seat back, as shown, and isn't in the way of the seat belt.
It's just held in place with a couple tie wraps around the exposed seat frame.
There's enough clearance between the door and seat to easily pull the gun with the door closed.

Living on a little ground out of town and very seldom going to "the big city" I don't worry about anyone breaking into my old (85) truck or cars. They or anything that can be seen in them isn't worth stealing. :D
 
Maybe I am way off base here, and definitely in the wrong forum, but how about the CZ-52? It is more concealable than a rifle, has reasonable penetration, acceptable accuracy, can be well hidden or just locked in the glove compartment, has multiple shots, good manuverability, and is cheap so not a safe queen. Sure I can envision scenarios where it won't be as good as a rifle, but I can also envision ones where it would be better. Sort of a compromise. Ideally, you could have both a rifle and a pistol.
 
Stauffenberg - Here's an article from USAToday

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-25-texas-shootings_x.htm

"TYLER, Texas (AP) — A man angry about being sued for unpaid child support opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle outside a courthouse, killing his ex-wife and a bystander who intervened to protect the couple's 23-year-old son."

The bystander had a CCW and shot at the gunman who was wearing body armor.
 
"TYLER, Texas (AP) — A man angry about being sued for unpaid child support opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle outside a courthouse, killing his ex-wife and a bystander who intervened to protect the couple's 23-year-old son."

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I remember hearing that on CNN, but I'm fairly sure they didn't mention the CCW guy. Thanks, media...
 
"I remember hearing that on CNN, but I'm fairly sure they didn't mention the CCW guy. Thanks, media..."
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Ya, that's no surprise.

On Fox, Mark Wilson is credited with saving at least two people.

The local Fox station also ran a good piece on the Texas carry license.
 
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