True increase in gun sales

[John828]

You know how NICS are up something like 49% since the election?

When I purchase a gun, I still fill out Form 4473, but no call is made because I have my cc permit. So, now I wonder what the true increase in sales is since I am assuming many cc holders go through the same process.

 

[Old Fuff]

You are correct. For the reason you cited NICS numbers are way under the true number, and this in a depressed economy. Also it says nothing about ammunition or magazine sales that are also going through the roof.

But that's O.K. with me. The Democrats may learn the hard way in 2010...

 

[Walkalong]

The Democrats may learn the hard way in 2010...

We can only hope. There are too many who will trade their freedom for so called "security" :banghead:

 

[22-rimfire]

I'm hoping that the American people don't have to learn the hard way.

Gun sales are definitely up. All you have to do is go to your favorite gunshop and look at what is available. Lots of shotguns and "deer rifles", but even the supply of "deer rifles" have dwindled at most shops that I visit. It's the season for those rifles.

 

[Average Joe]

Panic, just like the Y2K fiasco.

 

[rfwobbly]

No call is made in Georgia when the buyer has a CCW.

The downturn has kept me from buying as many guns as I really want. Do you think I could get a bailout? I could single-handedly turn the economy around.

 

[guntotinguy]

Here in Clark County,we still (now) have to pay a new background check even with a CCW...for a while it wasnt that way,but theres no waiting period if your clean.Funny a few weeks ago,so many guns were being purchased here,it shut down the system for a day or so.

I would also be interested in what the 'actual' percentage of increase would be.

 

[jcwit]

Wonder why some states require a phone in NICS check with a permit holder and others don't.
Thought the NICS check was a federal thing.

 

[zoom6zoom]

As stated below, it's because in some states the state acts as the point of contact for the Feds, and in other states the dealer has to call the Feds directly. If the state is the POC, they can decide that anyone they have already issued a CHP to is worthy of getting a pass.

NICS Background Checks

The FFLs have the following three methods of performing background checks depending upon the state in which the FFL is conducting business:

1. In states where the state government has agreed to serve as the POC (point of contact) for the system, the FFLs contact the NICS through the state POC for all firearm transfers. The state POC conducts the NICS check and determines whether or not the transfer would violate state or federal law.

2. In states where the state government has declined to serve as a POC, the FFLs initiate a NICS background check by contacting the NICS Section for all firearm transfers. The FBI conducts the NICS check and determines whether or not the transfer would violate state or federal law.

3. Finally, in states where the state government has agreed to serve as a POC for handgun purchases but not for long gun purchases, the FFLs contact the NICS through the designated state POC for handgun transfers and the NICS Section for long gun transfers.

Each state decides whether the FFLs in its state call a state POC or the FBI to initiate firearm
background checks.

 

[Cajun]

Panic, just like the Y2K fiasco

I think so too!!

 

[jcwit]

Thanks understood now

 

[Rshooter]

If it is a panic like Y2K it is going really deep. It has the supply chain down to the blanks used to CNC AR receivers and some barrels backordered months out. I was trying to buy a lower for my nephew going into the Corps next month and I have hit a wall.:banghead: In a few weeks everything was gone. A manufacturer told me they sold over 50,000 units and have 100,000 on backorder. That's just one outfit. Now the opportunists have jumped in and prices have soared 100% or more. We can only hope that Obama is really not going to outlaw AR's or they will be outlawed before they can be made again.

 

[Grassman]

I like the panic........gives me an excuse to tell the wife when I buy something new.

 

[lamazza]

Its amazing that after obama has said that he wants your guns, rahm emanuel wants your guns, joe biden wants your guns and people still don't believe that they want your guns.
Average joe, I don't mean to be demeaning but, what is it going to take for you to beleive that THEY WANT YOUR GUNS!

 

[david_the_greek]

"We can only hope. There are too many who will trade their freedom for so called "security" "

I'm willing to trade my.... money.... for a sense of security. Nothing feels more secure than a stack of magazines filled with copper coated candies

 

[John828]

So I guess there is really no way to know what the true increase in sales is. Using the 49% number that NICS gave out and supposing that there could be another 10% that would have been called in except the purchaser held a cc permit, then perhaps sales could be up by almost two-thirds or so. But then again, not all calls to NICS turn into sales for various reasons.

I am not losing sleep or anything, i was just wondering how much of an increase has occured on a percentage basis.

 

[OcelotZ3]

There are too many who will trade their freedom for so called "security"

Which is exactly how we got the so-called "Patriot Act".

 

[Regular Joe]

What is most odd to me is that we are in the midst of one of the biggest arms/ammo mobilizations in human history, and there is so little mention about the many things that could easily send this country into a spin where we definitely NEED to be armed.
The real increase is less important than the message it sends to any who would seriously consider disarming America. In spite of the anti's efforts, there are far more "modern minutemen" in America today than ANY military force in history would care to confront.

 

[seale]

Most states require a call to verify the permit and those calls are logged. Thus the sales numbers are effectively accurate. It's PRIVATE transfers that are going crazy and not fully tracked (yet).

 

[athensguy]

calls in

I've only had one call in but I've purchased two firearms this year. The BG check was done for my GFL. After that, I don't have to wait for a check any more while the license is valid.

 

[louie19]

I wonder if there's any stats on the increase of # of members / posts / threads on forums like THR, AR15, etc. That's another way to gauge it.

But a real easy way is to try to find anything AR-15 related. LOL Like someone else said, just try to find magazines, not even lowers or complete rifles. Before the election (and even a few weeks after), a store like 44mag.com had a lot of supply. Now take a look: http://www.44mag.com/products.asp?dept=1326

Also take a look at the number of news reports of gun sales: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/11/obama.gun.sales/ That's a local gun shop to me and the week of the election, the wall was full. But look at the wall in the video. Anyways, news organizations aren't known to be gun-friendly so anytime they mention guns in a good way, you know there is something going on.

Did I mention that gun shows are really crowded nowadays?

 

[daorhgih]

C.Y.O.A.

My fav. shop has closed its restroom to shoppers "due to BATFE Regulation," begun taking Carry-permit AND drivers'-license, AND calling in to Fed line. I say, "Better safe than sorry," because there are some unscrupulous potential badguys shopping for guns too. He also has cracked down on "private sales" inside his shop. Last month my shop had .308 Win. for $11.90 / 20 rds in November. Now they are $17.95 and he is usually out or near out of stock. But I was able to get a case of 1,000 7.62x51mm fo $399 because I helped him unload the truck. He said that the next case would be $500. And I don't even own the M1A yet that I intend to shoot with this stuff!! Walmart is asking $19.95 for 20 rds Win.308 in the green box, full bullet wt. or reduced recoil. Cheaper...Dirt hasn't changed for the last 3 catalogs.

 

[Frog48]

I think its a "perfect storm" type of situation... There are 3 factors, in my opinion, that make this record-setting fall/winter:

1) Every year, gun sales usually pick up in the fall/winter because of deer and duck seasons.

2) The Heller decision has brought gun ownership/self-defense discussion to an unprecendented level in public consciousness.

3) The election of a rabidly anti-gun president.

 

[seale]

^Excellent assessment

 

[daorhgih]

Record-setting.

Yup, and then watch the prices rise.