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Tulsa Police Chief: Might be Time to Trade Some Freedom for Gun Control
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Is he ready to discard some of the freedoms of the largest segment of society perpetrating violence?
CapnMac
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Sounds like it's time Tulsa needs a new CoP.
If they ever figure out that they could develop the river and make interesting green spaces like Fort Worth has on the Clear Fork of the Trinity . . .
Not entirely fair. Ok, so there's no reason to be downtown after about 1500 (despite nice restaurants). And, you get out east, towards Catoosa & Broken Arrow, and it's just a city in OK. Oakhurst & South Peoria? Yeah, well . . .
If they ever figure out that they could develop the river and make interesting green spaces like Fort Worth has on the Clear Fork of the Trinity . . .
tactikel
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I would ask him to test it with his sworn officers. Take 1/2 of the officers and deny them the right to carry firearms. After a year compare the experiences of the cohorts. Then we can talk.
AlexanderA
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What somebody "deserves" is a moral judgement. It's pointless to cast stones like this. But we don't have to go there. The issue is really much simpler. If you give up your liberty, it won't be long before you lose your safety too. I think that's what old Ben was trying to get at.
Hooda Thunkit
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Police Chief is an appointed position, really almost a sinecure.
Sheriff is elected - and he knows what it takes to stay in office, even in Tulsa County.
As for this Police Chief, well... Anytime I hear (or read) "... I'm a 2nd amendment supporter, but...."
I know what I'm about to be exposed to.
DustyGmt
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Yeah, we all need to sacrifice a lil for the greater good.
In G rated terms, I say "screw that". Why would anybody want to have diminished capabilities against those most likely to perpetrate a crime against them. Maybe the CoP would be interested in leading by example and accept the same limited capacity firearms and revert back to six shooters and lever actions for his department and private residence......
Pudge
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Ok, a 3-5 day waiting period and a thorough background check. What will that get Tulsa? 30 percent less violent crime? 20? 10? 0? Quantify what "safer" means. What benefit will Tulsa see by restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners?
Shanghai McCoy
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I see the similarity, it must be a "talking point"..?
We don’t have to go there? You just did. But I suspect we’ll have to disagree on this. There is absolutely a point to calling out positions and beliefs that are immoral, stupid, or illegal.
It’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to say as a police officer. So many public disturbances both deadly and otherwise have been stopped by civilians which would have been impossible without gun owners.
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Larry in wyoming
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He was an "officer" for 6 years before being promoted to sergeant. Of those 6 years it looks like he was in some kind of admin role in narcotics for some of it. He's been in admin ever since.
wmgeorge
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I do not have an issue with background checks and some sort of common sense safety class, short and to the point. There have been some dumb ass people shooting others around here, because they did not know basic gun safety. I was raised with and around guns and most all here have also. But there are some really stupid people now with guns that are clueless.
SunnySlopes
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Same old same old. I'm in Tulsa county and, again, blah, blah, blah, the crimes to which this poser alludes break down as follows: 1% of a particular demographic commits 60% of the crime. And for my particular demographic, we do not go into that part of town with less than platoon strength.
This clown is like every other poser trying to keep his job, viz. ignores the real problem to appease political activists.
Control criminals and there will be no need to control guns.
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Shanghai McCoy
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Or what we would refer to in another "world" as an REMF...
loadedround
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This "Chief" talks like a man with two A-holes!
doubleh
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The chief needs to spend some time in Chicago to see how well strict gun control really works. Just another dumb--s politician that wears a badge willing to sell out the Constitution to appease anti-gunners to keep the job he can't do.
You may be right. Problem is, most of the time, police officers do as they're told by those in authority over them.From what I've seen over the years, a Chief of Police tends to be more of a political position. The guys actually on the street might have a different position on the subject.
But, I could be wrong..?
The sheriff is elected, the police chief is appointed. Telling, for sure.
theotherwaldo
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-Just another political appointee who is getting prepared to run for a higher office in a leftist community... .
I know what you're saying, but we have a training class and a driving test here, and a point system to make sure you follow the safety rules, you can't even drive around without a card in your wallet saying you cleared to drive safely. They'll take the card away if you break safety rules. Yet everyone seems to be breaking all those safety rules. And you can't get through Palm Beach County in rush hour without seeing a car wrecked.
I don't think mandatory safety training makes people smarter.
Background checks are a great idea though. As long as no one is stealing guns. And as long as everyone buys from a store in public it can be enforced, because who's going to kmow about the sale if it isn't in public, right? But once you're in a store in public, (where it's already required) it's bulletproof- there's no way around it except having your wife, girlfriend, brother, cousin, friend, mom, dad, grandparent, employee, son, aunt, uncle, coworker, daughter, fellow gang member, sister, niece, boss, nephew, or acquaintance buy it for you. No way around it.
teerex.otw
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Pretty close to 0%…
The law-abiding are not the problem and never have been.
This is not about reducing crime, and never has been.
Just follow the money…reduced crime is not a valid reason to demand more funding. Crime is a political tool at the administrative level, which is why criminals’ rights are the only ones respected anymore…Think about it, if it gets down to choosing between our well-being or more money for them, their preference becomes obvious.
wmgeorge
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Well here they are closing down a section of town, businesses closing because of the gun violence at night. We have stupid, not having a clue gun owners thinking they have the right to just pull out a gun to settle an argument. Back when you needed a permit to carry you had to take a safety class and learn when you were legally ok to pull your weapon to defend yourself. Not now, any moron can carry and you have stupid shootings. How is that progress?
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