Tulsi talking 2A??

[courtgreene]

I voted for her in her primary and would have voted for her for president because she seems to think for herself. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. That disclaimer aside, remember that not only was she a Democrat, she was a Democrat from Hawaii. When in office, she didn’t have much wiggle room if she wanted to represent that constituency.

Guns are not the only issue for me when considering my votes, but they are an important one. Because of that, I vote for those who think for themselves. Those who tow party lines change their opinion as popular opinion changes, and that includes opinions on guns (see trump’s bumpstock reaction above).

 

[Saguy46]

I voted for her in her primary and would have voted for her for president because she seems to think for herself. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. That disclaimer aside, remember that not only was she a Democrat, she was a Democrat from Hawaii. When in office, she didn’t have much wiggle room if she wanted to represent that constituency.

Guns are not the only issue for me when considering my votes, but they are an important one. Because of that, I vote for those who think for themselves. Those who tow party lines change their opinion as popular opinion changes, and that includes opinions on guns (see trump’s bumpstock reaction above).

I would say she's doing a lot of wiggling now.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/tulsi-gabbard/

 

[SSN Vet]

Wow... 75 comments and the thread stayed open. Thanks for keeping it civil and to the mods for giving the conversation a chance.

I had never seen the pics of Tulsi in a "run and gun" event. Remind me not to arm wrestle her... that could be embarrassing.

Time and actions will tell. My guess is that she's done with politics and is promoting her new career as a social media talking head. I guess I'm O.K. with that. But then again, I'll admit that because she's very easy on the eyes, it clouds my perception more than it should.

 

[Ironicaintit]

My gut says her recent pro-2A stance is sincere.
I haven't dug super deep on her career, but watching her discuss things with Joe Rogan and Rocko makes me think she actually has a brain, and can be swayed out of left/right rut by new information.

I used to be a different person too, before life revealed some truths to me that made me reconfigure where I stood on things.

 

[theotherwaldo]

I can't help but remember the old saying, "If a politician's lips are moving they are lying" which seems more true everyday.

They had a saying back in Portland:
"If you can see Mount Hood then it's about to rain, if you can't see Mount hood then it's raining."
Likewise, If a politician's lips are still then he/she is about to lie... .

 

[tark]

It just means she blows whichever way the wind is going. She has no convictions other than whatever suits her best at the moment.

And you know this...how? She probably says the same thing about you.

 

[Blkhrt13]

I really wish Americans would stop using that. It’s given by man. There is an entire world that doesn’t have the same right.

It’s the principle of all of our constitutional law. Inalienable rights. Man doesn’t give us anything.

 

[reddog81]

And you know this...how?.

Well, based upon her voting recorded versus what she now says she stands for.

 

[derek45]

Talk is cheap.

Actions speak louder

I won't trust her on 2nd amendment issues until she proves she's on our side.



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[Jackiesman]

There are gun owners who supported the bumpstock ban, red flag laws, and universal background checks who are very progun on everything else. I seen pages of debates on popular firearm forums with members who had different opinions on the aforementioned gun laws.

It's like some of us think if you do not opposed every single gun law imaginable, then you are the equivalent to a Gabby Grifford, Micheal Bloomberg, or are just plain outright a "leftists Liberal," and there is absolutely zero room for nuances or gray area in-between.

Just a thought, but give in one tiny bit on infringement and it leads to another, then to another - ad infinitum. Name of the game is “let’s capitulate” on this little piece of infringement. And soon you’ll have what we have now, full control efforts. No thanks. There are probably appropriate laws in place to handle most everything that exist, but like immigration laws, they aren’t enforced. So I will personally oppose gun control in ANY form.

 

[Insignificant bill]

The thing a lot of people on both side suffer from is thinking everyone and every politician MUST be binary with each and every political issue. That is, if one votes Democrat, they MUST support each and every platform the DNC supports. If one votes Republican, they MUST support each and every issue the RNC supports.

The truth is, there are Democrat voters and politicians who support gun rights, but still vote Dem because they aren't one issue voters. There are Republican voters and politicians, Trump being one of them, who supports gun control. In the latter case for example, they might STILL vote Republican because other issues are more important to them like secure borders, etc.

This should be common sense, but people have become so tribal and partisan that it's hard for them to comprehend nowadays. With that said, I think Ms Gabbard could very well not support Trump (who is pro gun control), be a Democrat, and still support the 2A... Matter of fact, a lot of Democrat voters ALSO support the 2A and own firearms even though they still are Democrats.

I vote Republican, but I am even liberal on some issue.

Well, I sure hope so.

I don’t believe halting the free exercise of a right, as she voted against, makes her anything but a friend to the gun control crowd.

Just a thought, but give in one tiny bit on infringement and it leads to another, then to another - ad infinitum. Name of the game is “let’s capitulate” on this little piece of infringement. And soon you’ll have what we have now, full control efforts. No thanks. There are probably appropriate laws in place to handle most everything that exist, but like immigration laws, they aren’t enforced. So I will personally oppose gun control in ANY form.

Exactly, the only right that shall not be infringed has been Nickled and dimed with over 22,000 infringements and its not ok.

 

[starling]

Im pretty confident in saying gun control doesnt work and firearms among the populace does (research year 1776). So all this "thing" is doing is stating the obvious like its some great new revelation in her mind. For some it may show brilliance... for me it just shows how dumb she is and also how dumb she thinks the rest of us are. She would be better off sticking to surfing IMO.

Put her on "The View" or something. She would fit right in. "I left the Democrat party"... who gives a rip. Hit the waves Tulsi and do something productive. Take as many of your ilk with you that you can find.

Better idea... We put a wall around New York ...Escape from New York style... send all the politicians and celebrities (internet included) there and let them have their utopia and get them out of our daily lives. Ian (forgotten weapons) and Paul Harrel can "possibly" remain among us peasants if they choose as far as I am concerned.

 

[courtgreene]

I would say she's doing a lot of wiggling now.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/tulsi-gabbard/

I mean, I didn’t say I’m her campaign manager. Like her, don’t like her, I support your right to your opinion whole heartedly. But even that list seems to show that she was pretty free thinking as a Democrat in 2020.
The way they treated her then (if we can’t control you we will call you a Russian agent), it makes complete sense that she would reconsider her stances that supported the party that chewed her up and spit her out, including 2a.

 

[lilguy]

The only time I gave a campaign donation to a pol was back when Clintons AWB was proposed. I sent a hundred bucks to Texas Jack Brooks. Chairman of the house judiciary committee.He sent me a letter of thanks guaranteeing he would do everything possible to stop the ban. Then immediately push it through the house and got it enacted.
If a pols lips are moving, they’re lying. Yes shes a Trojan Horse, don’t be blinded by her light.

 

[Styx]

Just a thought, but give in one tiny bit on infringement and it leads to another, then to another - ad infinitum. Name of the game is “let’s capitulate” on this little piece of infringement. And soon you’ll have what we have now, full control efforts. No thanks. There are probably appropriate laws in place to handle most everything that exist, but like immigration laws, they aren’t enforced. So I will personally oppose gun control in ANY form.

Exactly, the only right that shall not be infringed has been Nickled and dimed with over 22,000 infringements and its not ok.

You all can keep beating on that drum all you want but it's a waste of time and not the reality of the situation. It will never be reality.

There has always been some form of gun control in the country, and it's already settled by SCOTUS who is constitutional allowed to interpret the Constitution. They concluded that some restrictions on firearms are allowed, have historically been allowed, and are constitutional despite how some feel about it. Your opinions and feelings hold the same amount of weight as those on the opposite end of the spectrum who feel like the 2A only applies to a Militia and only applies to muskets. Both extreme sides are wasting their time making these arguments IMHO.

I am not going to debate emotions, feelings, and personal opinions while disregarding reality and facts. It's a rabbit hole I am not going to go down, so I respect how you feel, and I wish that's how things really worked in reality, but sadly it does not, never has, and IMHO, never will. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Styx]

I mean, I didn’t say I’m her campaign manager. Like her, don’t like her, I support your right to your opinion whole heartedly. But even that list seems to show that she was pretty free thinking as a Democrat in 2020.
The way they treated her then (if we can’t control you we will call you a Russian agent), it makes complete sense that she would reconsider her stances that supported the party that chewed her up and spit her out, including 2a.

I agree, but there are a lot of conspiracy theorists out there who think up and find conspiracy behind every blade of grass. We attack people and businesses who don't support us, and even when they change course and support us, we still attack them. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't when it comes to us. Meanwhile if Ted Cruz started bashing the Republican party, switch parties, and started pushing for gun control, the other side would welcome him with open arms.

 

[Plan2Live]

Back when she was running for President, I ran into Tulsi on Main Street in downtown Greenville, SC and had a brief, calm, one-on-one conversation with her, specifically her stance on supporting a ban on high capacity magazines. I pointed out her armed security escort and asked if they were carrying a semi-automatic firearm with a high capacity magazine. She replied "yes they are". I asked her why it was ok for her to be protected by a semi-auto firearm with a high capacity magazine but not ok for me to protect myself and my loved ones with a semi-auto firearm and a high capacity magazine. Her expression and lack of an immediate reply told me she had never been asked this question before. Her eventual reply was to ask me what my suggestion for gun deaths was. Deflect. We exchanged a few pleasantries and parted ways.

I've always hoped this conversation had an impact on her attitude towards the Second Amendment.

 

[starling]

You all can keep beating on that drum all you want but it's a waste of time and not the reality of the situation. It will never be reality.

There has always been some form of gun control in the country, and it's already settled by SCOTUS who is constitutional allowed to interpret the Constitution. They concluded that some restrictions on firearms are allowed and are constitutional despite how some feel about it. Your opinions and feelings hold the same amount of weight as those on the opposite end of the spectrum who feel like the 2A only applies to a Militia and only applies to muskets. Both extreme sides are wasting their time making these arguments IMHO.

Maybe... maybe not. When I was a kid it was out of the norm to be a gun enthusiest and be a "no compromise" RKBA supporter. Its much more common now and everyone and their grandmother is buying firearms. Many of which are carrying them..which was very rare back then. So things have come a very long way in such a short time. Seems that RKBA advocates are winning the culture war and that is where its all at.

I understand your viewpoint though...no worries there. IMO the problem isnt as much gun control or regulation but the intent behind it. The only stance that works for me is "no compromise" as I have trust issues with politicians. Actually I should just say I dont trust ANY of them.

I will say it again... one mass shooting from a "whatever" and any of them can turn on a dime. They could care less about the RKBA. What they do care about are deep reaching political agendas and whatever segment of the populace they are targeting for their own self interest.

 

[starling]

Back when she was running for President, I ran into Tulsi on Main Street in downtown Greenville, SC and had a brief, calm, one-on-one conversation with her, specifically her stance on supporting a ban on high capacity magazines. I pointed out her armed security escort and asked if they were carrying a semi-automatic firearm with a high capacity magazine. She replied "yes they are". I asked her why it was ok for her to be protected by a semi-auto firearm with a high capacity magazine but not ok for me to protect myself and my loved ones with a semi-auto firearm and a high capacity magazine. Her expression and lack of an immediate reply told me she had never been asked this question before. Her eventual reply was to ask me what my suggestion for gun deaths was. Deflect. We exchanged a few pleasantries and parted ways.

I've always hoped this conversation had an impact on her attitude towards the Second Amendment.

I highly doubt that unfortunately. What it does show is she has had poor political training. You should have put her in a corner and asked her what her solution was. Then if she said banning High Capacity magazines you have her beat. "Well Tulsi... if thats your solution why does your armed team not follow your "leadership"? Doesnt make a whole lot of sense does it? Also doesnt make a whole lot of sense to support a presidential candidate that doesnt make a whole lot of sense ....does it Tulsi?"

Shes a piece of work just like the rest of them.

 

[old lady new shooter]

We will see on the first time she votes on a gun bill. If she votes the right way or sticks it to us.

She's no longer in office, so she won't be voting for or against anything as long as that is the case.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I would really like to hear directly from her what specifically changed her mind on the 2A and what limits, if any, she thinks should apply to it.

I agree. Simply being silent regarding her previous voting pattern on RKBA does not inspire confidence IMO.

 

[LiveLife]

I voted for her in her primary and would have voted for her for president because she seems to think for herself.

Guns are not the only issue for me when considering my votes, but they are an important one. Because of that, I vote for those who think for themselves.

My gut says her recent pro-2A stance is sincere ... watching her discuss things with Joe Rogan and Rocko makes me think she actually has a brain, and can be swayed out of left/right rut by new informiation.

I used to be a different person too, before life revealed some truths to me that made me reconfigure where I stood on things.

SCOTUS ... constitutional ... reality and facts

As justice Thomas pointed out in the Bruen ruling, should blacks and women be treated as "second class" citizens and kept from being able to vote, own property, be gun owners, speak freely, etc. just because they are in the minority? And should the First Amendment be a "second class" right?

Of course not and "We the People" saw the injustice of mob rule imposed on the rights of the minority and fixed the Bill of Rights to protect the minority rights to vote, own property, become gun owners, speak freely, etc. ... to be "equal" first class citizens entitled to equal rights.

The same goes for the Second Amendment and minority gun owners. Justice Thomas stated in the Bruen ruling that the Second Amendment is not a "second class" right. To me, this means minority gun owners are not "second class" citizens either and full entitlement to the Second Amendment must be protected from the mob rule of the majority, just as "We the People" did to protect the rights of minority blacks and women.

 

[mcb66]

Trump is gonna need a running mate.... Just saying...

 

[Remington1911]

Of all the stuff this place shuts down and this goes 4 pages..... I was reading the first page and thought wow, political, so I zoomed to the end to see if I could still comment.....not that I mind, this place is far too strict.

For those that don't know, it was not till 1962 that Ronald Reagan became a "R". And IIRC his comment was I did not leave the D party, the D party left me.

Hmmmm.

Not an uncommon thing, and when you look at the current state of things, and what they each are supporting, she is not the only one. I have watched this off and on, but not close.

Has she said I am joining the R's?

I see it a little like Bill Maher, and a host of others not strong enough to take the heat of saying you guys are off your rocker.

At least I made it before the lock.

 

[AlexanderA]

It’s the principle of all of our constitutional law. Inalienable rights. Man doesn’t give us anything.

"Natural law" is not a constitutional principle in this country. Quite the opposite -- we have separation of church and state, and at root, "natural law" is a form of religious faith.

As a practical matter, every right has been wrested by people from their reluctant rulers. Nothing was given to us for free.

The "natural law" argument actually weakens the struggle for the RKBA, in that it makes us complacent. The Creator is not going to lift a finger to help us keep our guns. It's strictly up to us.