two questions on two AKs

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most of the WASR I've seen are reconverted from single to double stack. A pretty simple task for a competent dremel tool user, but many of them are messed up, with the wells being opened up too wide, or not wide enough. Saw a Century the other day that had the magazine shaved so it would fit...

Stick with the Bulgarian. You'll get what you pay for.

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The WASR's and SAR's are not bad AK's, and are very serviceable guns. They may not be as pretty as some of the others, but they do work, and work well. I'd put either of mine against any of the others. I have yet to have an AK with a "bad" trigger. I've had one that had slap, but even then, it was still a good, but painful trigger. All my AK's have had nicer triggers than all but one of my AR's, and that one is a match trigger.

I find it kind of interesting that the milled receivers are now all of a sudden supposed to be so much better than the stamped. They were short lived on the real guns and everything since has been stamped, and without issue. They simply started "marketing" the milled to the US market. All you have is a heavier gun, not necessarily better. I have yet to see one shoot any better.

As far as WASR mag wells, the early guns had some issues with the mag wells not being done properly, just like the early SAR's had some badly canted sights, but last few I've seen were fine. I would check the fit, but I dont think you'll find them as bad as you keep hearing. All of them will show some mag wobble, WASR or not, and its more the mags than the gun.

One thing they all pretty much need, is the mag releases edges "broken" with a jewelers file so they release easier and smoothly. The mag release is a stamping and has sharp edges from the process. The sharp edges tend to grab the mag and can make it difficult to release.


As far as the Saigas go, they can be converted back to their original configuration. Krebs and others do a pretty good job of it. Personally, I think the converted Saiga's are the cream of the crop when it comes to the AK's. Your basically getting a true Russian AK, made by Russians, once converted back.

Kreb's 14" barreled AK103K with Ultimak and Aimpoint.

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I like to closely inspect firearms before a purchase. I don't want to get stuck with a lemon. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think I would spend a lot of cash on something that may not be in perfect shape. I've seen WASR rifles that look good, and I've seen some that look like a problem.
 
^exactly, which is why I dont mind paying a bit more if I can guarentee that I won't be throwing a good couple weeks of my income away.

After careful consideration, I decided to drop the idea of the SSR Bulgarian and Saiga, and am now wrestling with two subsitutes: The Lancaster Russian red-head, and the Vector. Brand-new, traditional AK look, nice finish, and for about the same as the SSR or Saiga, plus warranties. The warranties and factory-new and tested things were deal-makers right then and there for me.

I guess now the only thing to do is to get the money and decide on if I want to save fifty bucks for the wood or pay fifty bucks for the synthetic. Thanks for all the input, especially from you WASR guys :)
 
FYI , if you end up buying a rifle from us we offer a 1 week firing inspection, take the rifle out put her through the paces if there is a legitimate problem with the unit we will either replace switch you into another modle or refund , this helps take the sting out of bad unit.
 
RP88 said:
The Lancaster Russian red-head, and the Vector. Brand-new,<snip>
BZZZZZT

Neither of those are 'brand new'. They are made from parts kits of unknown provenance.

The Saiga is a brand new rifle. So is the WASR.
 
well...uh...um....erm...are the parts kits nice? I dont wanna open up the AK and have bats and moths fly out with rust and corrosion stains on their wings. >_< it's like my whole life is a lie!
 
RP88 said:
well...uh...um....erm...are the parts kits nice?
That, mi amigo, is what you are gambling on.

Some of these "highly acclaimed" vendors guns start rusting out of the seams after a time...
 
explains the warranty...

but i thought WASRs part kits were imported as well. But those are factory new?
 
Saiga & WASR & SSR rifles should be all new most of the other rifles are built up from imported kits , depending on the grade of kits they bought they could be used to new . It would be best to ask who ever you buy from if they know the condition and if there is a problem how they will back it up .
 
RP88 said:
but i thought WASRs part kits were imported as well. But those are factory new?
WASRs are not made from parts kits. They are made in the Cugir factory right next to the military contract AKs.

They are factory new.
 
RP88, I bought the WASR sometime between 2001 and 2003 from AIM.

I find it kind of interesting that the milled receivers are now all of a sudden supposed to be so much better than the stamped. They were short lived on the real guns and everything since has been stamped, and without issue. They simply started "marketing" the milled to the US market. All you have is a heavier gun, not necessarily better. I have yet to see one shoot any better.

I do not think it is an "all of a sudden" thing, they have always been stronger and better made. I believe they were short lived because of labor and material costs. Somewhere out there, youtube perhaps, there is a video in slow motion showing a stamped AK being rapid fired. You can see the flex in the receiver and the rounds were sprayed all over the target.

There are some quality stamped guns, but IMO they are not as nice as the SA93's or SLR95's from Arsenal.
 
I know the video clip your referring to, its more than a little biased towards the M16. I dont think it was the AK's fault that it appeared inaccurate, the shooter was lacking. They should have had someone who was a reasonable shooter, and had that same person shoot both.

The flex thing isnt really an issue, as long as its consistent. Everything has some flex.

I'm sure the change was a to make manufacturing easier and more cost effective, but the change must have been for the better, they have not gone back to the milled receivers.

Nothing wrong with the milled guns, if thats what you like. I doubt your going to see one shoot or perform better than the other though.
 
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