United Methodist Church 2008 Anti-Gun Resolution

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I got into a discussion with my Pastor this morning about this... I decided to post the resolution for the rest of you to see.

I'd also appreciate any suggestion on how to explain why these anti-gun bills won't work, and why we shouldn't be supporting bills to limit freedom.


RESOLUTION #2008-06
RESOLUTION TO 2008 ANNUAL CONFERENCE SESSION
Pertaining To Support For “One Handgun A Month” Legislation In Pa.
Presented By: Church And Society And A United Methodist Witness Pa


WHEREAS: The United Methodist Church has a long history of support for gun control
legislation. The Social Principles 164 F states the position on the use of violence. Furthermore, the
Bible discusses the following imperatives;
1) The Sixth Commandment, “Thou Shall not kill,” not only forbids killing; it also implies
that we are obligated to prevent harm and to preserve life and the well-being of human
life;
2) The book of Isaiah (1:17) encourages us to seek justice, Isaiah (65:29) speaks of a time
when man will neither harm or destroy.
3) Micah 6:8 NRSV “He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to
walk humbly with your God?
4) In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus calls us to be peacemakers by saying “Blessed are the
peacemakers, for they will be called Children of God”; (Matthew 5:9 NSRV)
WHEREAS: An increase in the incidence of handgun violence has occurred in recent years, with
the attendant result of increased deaths. According to Law Enforcement’s Uniform Crime Reports,
in the year 2007 in the Central Pa. Conference the murder rate (expressed in per 100,000) in some of
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our larger cities is as follows: Harrisburg 21.0, York 3.07, Williamsport 3.3, and Columbia 6.31 and,
The overall rate for Pennsylvania is 6.2; and
WHEREAS: The Commonwealth’s existing gun laws make multiple handgun purchases easy and
cheap encouraging the illegal trade in handguns. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms (ATF), the enabling factor in the illegal handgun distribution system in our Commonwealth
is “straw purchasing” of handguns in bulk by eligible individuals who are, in fact, stand-ins for
prohibited felons who traffic in guns. They then sell to drug dealers, violent teens, and gang
members; and
WHEREAS: Statistics provided by the (ATF) Crime Gun Trace Analysis indicate that 76% of the
guns used in the commission of a crime in Philadelphia were originally legally purchased within the
Commonwealth. However, nearly 87% of that total were not at the time of the commission of the
crime in the hands of the original legal purchaser of that weapon; and
WHEREAS: By limiting purchases to no more than one handgun in a 30-day period, legislation
would disrupt straw purchases and seriously decrease the number of handguns available to the
criminal element for use in violent criminal purposes. Reducing the supply would also reduce the
incidence of handgun injury and death within the Central Pa. Conference. Substantial evidence shows
that these laws effectively reduce illegal handgun trafficking without negative impact on lawful gun
commerce.
WHEREAS: a recent survey, by Greenberg Research, demonstrated that most Pennsylvanians
(70%) support enactment of a One Handgun A Month law, and almost all Pennsylvanians (96%)
support a law to require the reporting of lost or stolen handguns.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED: That the congregations in the Central Pa.
Conference call upon the House and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairs as well as Governor Rendell
to enact and sign legislation to place limits on the purchase of handguns by individuals; require
reporting of lost or stolen handguns and track registrations; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: That the Board of Church and Society request that the
Conference Secretary communicate this resolution to Governor Rendell and Judiciary Chairs; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: That the Board of Church and Society be empowered to form a
fully-diverse taskforce to work in coordination with other groups vigorously and continually towards
enactment of the aforesaid One-Handgun-a-Month legislation until such time as it is signed into law;
AND FINALLY, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: That the Eastern Pa. Conference of The
United Methodist Church encourage the aforementioned taskforce to provide educational materials
and resources to congregations in its jurisdiction. These materials should provide information on 1.)
the gun violence epidemic, 2.) the causes and affects of readily accessible guns, 3.) how the One-
Handgun-a-Month legislation will reduce the supply and the number of handgun deaths, 4.) and
finally, afford them a mechanism to use their voices to seek enactment of said legislation, corporately
and individually.
Person Responsible for Presenting Resolution: Rev. David Tatgenhorst
 
It is interesting how often the 6th Commandment is misquoted/interpreted. In the original Hebrew text, the word kill is literally translated murder, not killing of any kind.
 
Sindawe said:
Maybe you should suggest a resolution support legislation that limits the faithful to one service a month and that each domination shall have only one house of worship w/in a 50 mile radius.

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

:D I made a similar suggestion to my Brother on the way home.


Texas Colt said:
It is interesting how often the 6th Commandment is misquoted/interpreted. In the original Hebrew text, the word kill is literally translated murder, not killing of any kind.

I've tried to tell people that before but most don't seem to care. (You would think that they would have translated it a little better)
 
Stuff like this is one of several reasons I'm a former United Methodist. :banghead:
 
My Pastor doesn’t seem anti-gun at all. It seems like he just doesn't understand the reason behind the 2nd Amendment, or that once you start with guns laws like these worse ones will soon follow.

He said he doesn't think banning guns is right, which leads me to believe He just needs to be educated more on the subject.

I didn't get much time to talk to Him, but I tried to explain that one-handgun-a-month, and gun registration don't work, and that straw purchases are already illegal.
 
1) The Sixth Commandment, “Thou Shall not kill,” not only forbids killing; it also implies
that we are obligated to prevent harm and to preserve life and the well-being of human
life;

I agree that killing, or rather MURDER in cold blood is wrong in the eyes of God, man, and the law.

But how in the heck does limiting law-abiding gun purchasers to 1 gun a month help at all in the second directive? You know, the whole prevent harm and to preserve life and the well-being of human life bit?

A certain Ms. Assam would NOT have been able to do that for her fellow churchgoers if she would have happened to have been constrained by a 1-gun-a-month law like these fools are proposing.
 
The United Methodist Church should remain concerned with what the church is supposed to be doing-helping Christians grow and spreading the good news of God's saving grace thru his Son Jesus Christ.

Nowhere in the New Testament is there instruction for the church to get involved in political matters, which is what gun control is.

A time when man will neither harm or destroy for sure is in the future, but it sure isn't the present. UMC wants us to go around helpless thinking about the wonderful future while the thugs of the present prey on us at will?

Blessed is the peacemaker: when an armed citizen eliminates the punk shooting up a church, said citizen just made peace.

The UMC needs to study their Bible, any translation of the original Hebrew makes it very clear the Commandment is speaking of "murder" not killing. Murder is the premeditated killing of another. Defending oneself against a deadly threat whereupon the aggressor is killed is not murder.

And finally-UMC conveniently leaves out many verses in scripture that speak of self defense, Jesus himself said if one does not have a short sword he should sell a coat and buy one. Jesus was not this pansy pacifist that modern church likes to protray him as. He does not expect anyone to be a doormat for criminal behavior or be easy prey for a predator.

Yes, I am a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe what the Bible says in plain language, and yes I own guns. I wouldn't be a good candidate for membership in the UMC would I!!
 
i have considered myself a Protestant,rather than Methodist for many years. looking at membership numbers,i am not alone.
 
Yup...here's another former methodist. This is a good example of why I remain an independent...I can live by my own convictions.
 
About 30 years ago, I contacted the Board of Church and State about very similar language coming out of their annual conference. The responder bragged that the UMC had "fully funded" the national coalition to ban handguns. The responder was not concerned that the majority of the membership at that time were quite conservative and were not anti gun. He responded abou the National Counsel being in a "leadership role" obligated to bring the less astute membership along.
At that time, many Methodists were traditional Pro American , Pro law enforcement types. There were a lot of complaints from the general membership about the church setting up defense funds for H. Rap Brown and other new left revolutionaries and printing comic book type literature to distribute across central and south america criticising the united states for being capitolist /imperialists.
 
Some of the insanity from the United Methodist Church dates back more than 30 years.

The Methodist Church has had a history of advocating the banning of handguns ever since before the GCA of 1968.

In 1977, Allen Brockaway, head of the board of the UMC, in the church publication 'Engage - Social Activism', told women they had a duty to submit to rape.

To that piece of drivel, I say, "Phooey on Brockaway and the UMC."
 
mec said:
About 30 years ago, I contacted the Board of Church and State about very similar language coming out of their annual conference. The responder bragged that the UMC had "fully funded" the national coalition to ban handguns. The responder was not concerned that the majority of the membership at that time were quite conservative and were not anti gun. He responded abou the National Counsel being in a "leadership role" obligated to bring the less astute membership along.
At that time, many Methodists were traditional Pro American , Pro law enforcement types. There were a lot of complaints from the general membership about the church setting up defense funds for H. Rap Brown and other new left revolutionaries and printing comic book type literature to distribute across central and south america criticising the united states for being capitolist /imperialists.

I get the impression that many of the people in my Church aren't anti-gun but I don't think they are pro-gun either (Even the ones that own guns)...
 
Lady with a Gun said:
Some of the insanity from the United Methodist Church dates back more than 30 years.

The Methodist Church has had a history of advocating the banning of handguns ever since before the GCA of 1968.

In 1977, Allen Brockaway, head of the board of the UMC, in the church publication 'Engage - Social Activism', told women they had a duty to submit to rape.

To that piece of drivel, I say, "Phooey on Brockaway and the UMC."

:what:
 
Lutherans have no such problems with gun's ;)

God never says killing is wrong, he says murder and unjust killing is wrong. People seem to all wrapped up in a loving God, and leave out the just God part. There is even a passage that Texans are in the clear (it states that you may kill an intruder at night, but not during the day....yes I'm serious)

God has no problem with defending yourself, just wars, etc.
 
Luke 22:36 KJV Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
 
Blessed are the Colt Peacemakers

:D

Oh yeah, then there's that little bit in (I think?) Nehemiah about re-building the city wall with one hand and holding a sword in the other.

And Abraham & company were pretty well armed it seemed when he went to rescue his relatives.

Anyway, I'm an ex-christian (escaped) now so I don't remember the exact chapter/verse/details right off the top of my head anymore.
 
I had the "Anti-Gun" discussion with our bishop when I was growing up Methodist.


Based upon our conversation, I am no longer Methodist.


Take for that what you will.


-- John
 
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