Up to 4m guns in UK and police are losing the battle

[fistful]

I'm absolutely rooting for the criminals, and hope they flood the nation with illegal AK's.

Why should I respect the British people or their laws?

Did any of us tell you to? How about you just not wish for murderers, robbers, drug dealers and rapists, armed with military hardware, to take over their country? Too much to ask? I don't use the word "hatred" lightly. It means a conscience ill will toward someone or something, hoping for their destruction. Your's is showing.

 

[Kjervin]

You know,
the media and the politicians (and the police to a lesser extent) always seem to paint people who are defying gun laws in the worst possible light. They always seem to want to paint them as "gun Runners" and the guns as "probably going to organized crime or drug gangs") when they guns may be for collectors or budies or for his own personal protection. I have sympathy for the Brits who did not turn in their guns for confiscation, and if by "criminals" that is what is meant, I root for them as well. However, I find it hard to root for those who pray upon others and terrorize people in weaker positions of power, whether those people are in the public or private sector. The gun smugler they caught was also smuggling drugs, so he was not such the upright citizen. I feel sorry for anyone who has to make the choice between protecting their family and obeying the law, but not for those who want guns to prey upon those who reluctantly chose to follow the law, however poorly conceived.

Kj

 

[iapetus]

Fu-man Shoe

As a small anecdote, I offer this experience from my visit to the UK.

I was in Portsmouth, England earlier this year, and in many ways it was
kind of eerie. For example, I was at a street corner, amongst a crowd of people waiting for the little man to turn green so they can cross the street.
There were no cars coming, but these people just stood there, waiting for
the streetlight to tell them they could cross. I thought that was just way
too creepy, so my friends and I looked both ways, just to make sure, and
then dashed across the street. No problem, right? We do that all the time
here in the US. Well, you should have seen the outright looks of horror on
some of the locals faces, and they way they began to glance around nervously, as if they expected the secret police to suddenly descend upon us or something. Just weird; totally, mindbendingly...weird to be among people who are *that* conditioned to accepting arbitrary and senseless authority.

Funny... in my experience, most people in the UK will cross the road when the Red Man is still lit.

Heck, lots of people will cross the road any time, any where, regardless of the colour of the light, and regardless of whether there is a car bearing down on them.

And, except in certain circumstances, there's nothing illegal about doing that. I always thought you could get arrested for "Jay Walking" in the US.

 

[atek3]

if you can't keep drugs out of prisons and guns off an island, why do prohibitionists of all stripes think that certain measures will suddenly work in an open society such as the US?

atek3

 

[Stevie-Ray]

I always thought you could get arrested for "Jay Walking" in the US.

You can be cited for it. But it seems, nowadays, the cop has to be a real Joe Friday to do it.

It generally comes up only when there is an accident, and the injured and litigious pedestrian claims that pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way.

 

[Cosmoline]

How about you just not wish for murderers, robbers, drug dealers and rapists, armed with military hardware, to take over their country?

I don't wish for it, but I can see it happening. Having the nation fall completely "Clockwork Orange" chaos would probably teach them a valuable lesson, since zee Germans are no longer up to the task.

 

[Old Guy]

Queensberry rules

Queensberry rules"

Who ever invented those rules, Lord Queensberry? He is dead you know!

Having been born in Liverpool in 1935 (left in 65) I am still a Brit, but the Country has gone to the dogs, young, very young teens are drunks, the Pubs serve 16 year olds, no one cares, vandalism is incredible, old people are frightened to go out of their homes, terrible.

The Police! 80% said they would quit if they had to carry guns! Rational? The criminals will just get bigger guns than theirs!!

The Labor Government is shockingly soft on criminals.

Years ago the birch was given as medicine for violent criminals in the Isle of Man, no one ever came back for a twice ripped up back! Ever!

Bring it back, just for attacks on old people that cause’s bodily harm of any kind, 15 year old and up!! Feature the punishment on TV!
Inhuman? Barbaric? Does not the good book say an eye for an eye?
Take the court into a video of the crime (simulated) the old Lady on the ground, kicked in the face, losses an eye! Broken nose, terrified of going on to the bus! Three and four assailants involved.

England is part of the ECC, they can own hand guns, and get carry permits in other parts of the ECC? What’s wrong with that?

Ask an RUC Constable in Belfast; “want to go out without a gun tonight”? Cover your ears for that reply.

Want choice? Be a victim or not, come to Florida!

 

[Cosmoline]

It's interesting you cite my cig. I admit I have a deep love/hate relationship with the UK. It *was* once a fantastic nation. Innovative, intelligent, independent and wise. Before the madness of socialism overtook it, it was a world where gentlemen such as Wilde could keep a handgun as they saw fit, or where TE Lawrence could keep a revolver even during peacetime and use a tree on his property in rural England as a target. He was by all accounts a crack shot. The UK produced some of the finest hunters and marksmen in world history. Now it just seems to produce sheep and wolves to prey on them. They're even ending the fox hunt. It's as if they no longer want to be British at all, but just faceless, compliant European cogs.

There are still many fine people there. But the majority seem to have convinced themselves that they are no longer members of a great nation. They don't even trust themselves with firearms anymore. Their reaction to isolated crimes is not to get tough on criminals but to slap themselves with even more draconian gun laws. It's complete madness.

 

[atek3]

You can be cited for it. But it seems, nowadays, the cop has to be a real Joe Friday to do it.

come to berkeley, they'll cite you all day long

atek3

 

[fistful]

How about you just not wish for murderers, robbers, drug dealers and rapists, armed with military hardware, to take over their country?

I don't wish for it, but I can see it happening.

So when you said,

I'm absolutely rooting for the criminals, and hope they flood the nation with illegal AK's.

you only meant that you hoped the criminals were successful in getting lots of guns into the country? So you're not rooting for the criminals in general?

 

[Cosmoline]

Part of me is hoping the criminals make the situation so bad that the idiots over there wake up and realize they've made a terrible mistake. But I also like a lot of things about the UK, at least the UK of 100 years ago.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

It's interesting you cite my cig. I admit I have a deep love/hate relationship with the UK. It *was* once a fantastic nation. Innovative, intelligent, independent and wise. Before the madness of socialism overtook it, it was a world where gentlemen such as Wilde could keep a handgun as they saw fit, or where TE Lawrence could keep a revolver even during peacetime and use a tree on his property in rural England as a target. He was by all accounts a crack shot. The UK produced some of the finest hunters and marksmen in world history. Now it just seems to produce sheep and wolves to prey on them. They're even ending the fox hunt. It's as if they no longer want to be British at all, but just faceless, compliant European cogs.

There are still many fine people there. But the majority seem to have convinced themselves that they are no longer members of a great nation. They don't even trust themselves with firearms anymore. Their reaction to isolated crimes is not to get tough on criminals but to slap themselves with even more draconian gun laws. It's complete madness.

The great historian Oswald Spangler theorized that every great culture has a life span of approximately the same length, and goes through stages in life very much like a human individual. England has long since passed its prime. He believed that all great cultures (going all the way back to the ancient Assyrian civilization, and including the Greek and Roman civilizations), just before they die, go through a phase of collectivism (e.g., socialism), followed by a form of police state, followed by a collapse of civilization, and is either then replaced by a conquering neighbor's culture, or simply degenerates into barbarism followed by some form of feudal system, where it begins the process of growth into a new culture.

This makes perfect sense to me, when one considers the stages that Great Britain has gone through, and where it is now. It's vigorous and manly phase has been over for about a century. It is now in its collectivist phase, and teetering on its police state phase, whereupon it will be ripe for its collapse.

 

[Crosshair]

I have to kind of agree with you Cosmoline they brought it on themselves. They went from ruling half the world to whatever they are now.

 

[Lo.Com.Denom]

Bleh! I wrote a long (for me) text about what's wrong and what's right with my country, but frankly, I can't be bothered. It boils down to this :

An overly left-wing media, who care little for the truth.

An overly London-centric media, who care little for the rest of the country.

Apathy! See the beginning of this post - it's even got to me!

A lack of a written constitution. (And no, the Magna Carta doesn't count because nobody pays a damn bit of attention to it.)

Sheeple. Everywhere. Whatever the populist consensus is, thats just fine with them. Doesn't matter if the current consensus is hypocritical or contradictory - just as long as everyone is on the same page...

An ingrained fear and loathing for rocking the boat.

OK, on with gross stereotyping and Limey-bashing!

 

[TheEgg]

Even when handguns were banned, only around 3,000 of the 100,000 believed to have been in private hands before May 2004 have been handed in for destruction. The other 97,000 have disappeared.

Well, it sound like there at least 97,000 men who do not thing of themselves as 'subjects' in England. That is a good start.

 

[fistful]

A lack of a written constitution. (And no, the Magna Carta doesn't count because nobody pays a damn bit of attention to it.)

Oh, then I guess we Yankees doesn't gots one, neither.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Oh, then I guess we Yankees doesn't gots one, neither.

Yeah, hardly anyone in government pays any attention to ours either.

 

[Mk VII]

perhaps we could borrow it. It's lasted two hundred years and you don't seem to be using it anymore

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

perhaps we could borrow it. It's lasted two hundred years and you don't seem to be using it anymore

Exactly.

 

[Lo.Com.Denom]

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/magna-carta.html

As you can see (if I typed that link correctly), the Magna Carta is complete drivel and hasn't been adhered to since about 1225. I particularly like point 54 : "No one shall be arrested or imprisoned upon the appeal of a woman for the death of any, other than her husband."

At least the American constitution doesn't contain any references to knights, hostages and being tried by "five and twenty Barons" (more's the pity, I say ).

I heard recently that it's only the UK and Israel that don't have written constitutions. But like I said, apathy - nobody cares around here. And the government doesn't listen to those who do.

 

[gvass]

Prime ministers of Great Britain. Do you feel the difference?

 

[shotgunner]

Nice one gvas

 

[boofus]

Get a load of this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1481770/posts

Even in China with complete government control over all assets, strict gun control, thought control, and a secret police force that can disappear you at any moment they can not stop gun smugglers from manufacturing and distributing them illegally.

Is the UK willing to go that far? Even if they did it still wouldn't stop gun crimes. Then again maybe the whole point is to install a communist government using the excuse of violent crime, whether it works or not.