UPS Stole my gun

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I'm a little taken aback when UPS, Fedex, USPS ask me if I want to insure my package...its not like someone is going to hold them up and steal it...I'm having to insure it in case their OWN people STEAL it instead of DELIVERING it.

Crazy world.

I ordered a 1500.00 Bullseye 1911 service pistol last week. I was supposed to be here overnight. No pistol Wednesday, no pistol Thursday...

Friday through Sunday I was busy winning the Texas State Rifle Association Highpower Rifle Championship at Camp Swift.

Monday no pistol. UPS tracking shows it never getting out of Louisville, Ky. I bet it's for sale in Cinncinatti or Detroit right now. Some gangbanger never will be able to get it to shoot reliably. Takes about 500 rounds to break in a well-made bullseye pistol.

Now Champions has to come up with a new pistol. I have to wait.
 
All of their air packages go through Ky, pretty much 2/3 of that airport is a UPS site, if I remember correctly it is the largest conveyer system in the world. I would not be surprised if your gun is down in a deep dark whole somewhere in the middle of that place. Good luck, I know that is not what you wanted to hear.
 
Thats not surprising seeing who those companies higher to service their clients. You should see the UPS in southern California, looks like a cholo convention. I'm SURE NONE of those guys ever steal any packages.
 
That's too bad. I'll betcha Dale Jarrett and Michael Waltrip are out shooting it right now ;) :D

I had a S&W 745 stolen on it's way from a dealer in AZ to my FFL when I lived in Illinois. This was in the early 90's and the dealer claimed that it was because UPS required to put an Adult Signature Only sticker on it. This created a red flag for the thieves.

My buddy at UPS said that the thieves will carry some replacement labels in their pocket with their address. If they see a box they want then they stick the label over the original and it gets sent to the address on the replacement label.
 
Bummer, This was something that I did not want to read. my uncle is sending me a Ruger Single Six that my grandfather owned. We are setting it up thru the FFL's. I told him to insure it for 500.00 I would be heartbroken if it "got lost".

The good thing for you it was a new gun and you get to have a new one sent to you. If it happened to me the Insurance could never cover what the gun means to me.
 
Congrats on the shooting comp. and awfully sorry about your loss. Maybe it will show up-unshot and un scared. Next time have them ship it in a one foot by one foot box and not mark it from a gun dealer. Might inhance the chances of it getting through. wc
 
Did you file a claim

Although you did not have insurance they are still reasonable for the package.
You or the shipper should file a claim with them, also since the Government seem so interested in handguns they might like to know about this too.:(
 
I'm a little taken aback when UPS, Fedex, USPS ask me if I want to insure my package...its not like someone is going to hold them up and steal it...I'm having to insure it in case their OWN people STEAL it instead of DELIVERING it.

Crazy world.

I ordered a 1500.00 Bullseye 1911 service pistol last week. I was supposed to be here overnight. No pistol Wednesday, no pistol Thursday...

Friday through Sunday I was busy winning the Texas State Rifle Association Highpower Rifle Championship at Camp Swift.

Monday no pistol. UPS tracking shows it never getting out of Louisville, Ky. I bet it's for sale in Cinncinatti or Detroit right now. Some gangbanger never will be able to get it to shoot reliably. Takes about 500 rounds to break in a well-made bullseye pistol.

Now Champions has to come up with a new pistol. I have to wait.
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I work in that facility. 1 Day Air, too.

What did UPS say?

FWIW, anything can happen in the facility. Stuff gets lost, stuff gets mis-sorted, labels come off, people steal, or stuff gets "held-over". In two months I had 4 idiots on my crew steal something. 2 stole Ipods and another guy stole 5,000 cash and $25,000 in checks and enlisted the help of his girlfriend. Truth be told internal security is pretty dang good. Stealing a gun is another matter. You have to get it through 2 metal detector screenings and if you have a bag it goes through x-ray both going in and out. It is an airport. So on top of the gun charge, you get another felony charge for messing with interstate commerce. I don't think I know anyone that bold.

Boxes are scanned into a container. Container is scanned into the plane. Plane lands container is offloaded and scanned into the facility. Container is scanned into the unload. Container is scanned into a specific lane with a specific person assigned to that lane. Boxes are offloaded onto the belt where they are scanned again. The process repeats itself until your package is delivered.
 
Let a gunstore lose over 100 guns in a year, get busted for it and there's guys swarming all over the place bitching that the BATFE is nothing but a bunch of JBT's and the poor innocent storeowner is just being unjustly picked on. But let UPS lose one gun and their a bunch of crooks.
Does anybody else see the irony in this?
 
I used to be a supervisor at a small UPS air hub. I've found packages on conveyors at the end of the sort (the loaders are supposed to check), packages at the loading doors on the ground after loading the cars, packages mangled by the conveyors or dropped from the top of them. This was at a small hub, I imagine at KY these incidents are many times more commonplace. So to say your package was stolen is premature. Lost/overdue certainly, but saying it's stolen is a slap in the face of all the honest workers at UPS.

Wasn't your gun, was it?
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Nope, not his. It's the shippers package until you sign for it. They have to file the claim.
 
I worked for a short time loading and unloading trucks at a UPS hub in 1976/77.

Disgruntled employees would tear the COD tags off of packages so the recipient did not have to pay.

UPS did not have next day air then, just what was called blue label, something like 2 day air. They got sorted seperately, but now and then I would see one either coming out of a truck or coming to a truck I was loading. The pickers and sorters were supposed to take them off the belts if they saw them, but sometimes packages would drop on the floor, and a typical response was for someone to pick it up and toss it on the closest belt.
 
Champions checking with UPS.

Out of my hands now. It IS insured. By Champions. Just amazing that this happens. If the package is scanned and traced all the way through, you would think it COULDN'T be stolen without evidence. I'm sure they set up the system to make it nearly impossible, but they are working with human beings.
 
Chances are things get lost in the system, but theft does happen.



Here's a blast from the past courtesy of WYFF4.com:

Four Plead Guilty In Gun Theft Operation
November 18, 2005

COLUMBIA -- Federal prosecutors said one of the largest gun theft and trafficking rings in South Carolina history came to an end Friday with four guilty pleas.

William Shane Ninan, 26, of Easley, Julius Rozell Barnes, 27, of Columbia, Gary Matthew Martin, 25, of Gaffney, and Sterling Serrone Leeper, 26, of Columbia, each pleaded guilty to conspiracy to sell handguns stolen from their place of employment, the United Parcel Service hub facility in West Columbia.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Gasser said Ninan recruited his three co-defendants to participate in the scheme to steal firearms from UPS and illegally sell them to others.

Gasser said the evidence showed that the four began to steal firearms in April 1999. Each of the men were employed with UPS during 1999 and 2000.

Gasser said the four diverted numerous packages being sent by firearms manufacturers and wholesalers through the UPS facility, then sold the guns across the nation. Some of the guns were recovered in California, he said.

Gasser said Ninan admitted that the group stole more than 200 handguns during their time at UPS.

The four will be sentenced at a later date.
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Call 800 PICK UPS and put a tracer on the package. They are going to ask what the contents were. If I recall correctly they do not take kindly to shipping weapons. Good luck.
 
i beleive it. SOB's at the dock stole 2 of my DVD players and the stupid driver delivered my PS3 and 20 games that was over 1000 to the wrong house. luckily we knew them and they brought to us when they seen it after they got home.

UPS sucks.

USPS is alot better.
 
I think the point is UPS (and Fedex) require guns be sent by next day air so as to reduce theft by their own employees because air shipments are supposed to be logged in at every transfer. (Right, shipperguys?) Doesn't appear to have worked here, does it?

Just coincidence that air freight costs about three or four times as much as ground, isn't it?
 
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