UPS Stole my gun

[92GreenYJ]

Sorry to hear that. I hate UPS with a passion as well. They have lost a few high dollar items that we have ordered over the years, and previously have not followed Signiture required instructions. (they left a brand new 17" iMac flat panel sitting on our front porch when nobody was home. it was insured and signiture required. they just left it there) Now after our last high dollar package (digital camera again shipped signiture required for delivery) was supposedly delivered and went missing, their supervisor came to our door and claimed somebody must be watching our house and must have stolen it. Even though his Paperwork had showed the sig required on it and we know full well nobody ever signed for it since we never saw the thing. So now UPS requires a signiture for EVERY SINGLE ITEM they deliver to us. Which of course is INCREDIBLY inconvenient and annoying because that means somebody HAS to be home all day waiting for them to show up no matter what the damn package is. And of course they are never here in an orderly fashion. they can show up anytime between 9 am and 7 pm.

I try to use FedEx now as much as possible, unfortunately many of the websites I order from still mandate the use of UPS and dont give me any other options or I would NEVER use UPS

 

[vis-à-vis]

And it IS frustrating to have to insure against folks stealing or losing your stuff instead of delivering it. Delivering it is what they say they DO.

Eh, nothing's perfect.

My advice when you ship from UPS:

Make sure your box is tapped up correctly. About 1 in 25 boxes I deal with need re-tapped because of poor packaging. Make sure your package is well balanced and not moving around. Especially if it is heavy. When the contents shift is has a tendency to warp the box and then tear it open. It is rather irritating as an unloader.

Check your label that it is on there firmly. I deal with 1 in about 500 packages where the label has either fallen off or is mangled. This happens because your box is packed with other boxes, either on top or below, and the rubbing causes labels to come off. The labels scan best when they are on top of the box, not the side.

If you ship something that can be destroyed by rain, I recommend you wrap it in plastic. Believe it or not, it does rain and the containers often sit outside on the ramp as they are loaded one by one onto the plane. Or even some have to be individually conveyored onto the belly of a plane thus exposing the boxes to the elements directly.

Since I work in 1-Day Air I have probably handled firearms. I know I have handled several rifles only because the one's I see are shipped in their black rifle case. I probably have handled a pistol, but I am not certain. I have never seen a box marked as a pistol. But I do not think they are handled any differently or logged separately. Up the belt they go with everything else.

Ultimately you take a risk in handing any item off to a stranger. The hearts of men are filled with sin. If someone wants to steal and is determined, your stuff is going to get stolen. But then, if it were not the truth, we wouldn't need security. Or you take a risk in something being lost or destroyed.

 

[Dravur]

I think..

we have the culprit!

It is Vis-a-Vis! Get Him!

 

[vis-à-vis]

I do confess. Ya'll understand don't you!?!?!

 

[tuckerdog1]

280 PLUS,

Sorry about your bad experience at FedEx. That employee was flat wrong. Firearm does NOT have to be inop. Can't be loaded of course, and no ammo in the same box. But can be a working gun. And they were also wrong about the marking on the box that a firearm was inside. The rules state just the opposite. NO marking to indicate a firearm is inside ( with the possible exception of the shipper or recepient info ). Glad it got through okay though.

Tuckerdog1

 

[280PLUS]

Thanks Tucker...

It's the only time I ever shipped a gun and after reading this thread, I'm even more leery of it. I DID ship from some little hub but I recall the woman calling them and that's what they told her to do. I thought it was pretty stupid myself and even moreso after reading about the theft ring.

We just had a law passed in the city of Hartford, CT where you are liable if your stolen gun is used in a crime in the city. Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling when taken in context with this thread?

 

[Blackfork]

Still no word from UPS

Just checked with Champions Choice. UPS hasn't called them back since Tuesday. Last word was UPS was trying to track it.

The package disappeared inside their facility at Louisville, Ky. Was shipped there from LaVergne, Tn. Didn't get lost off a doorstep. I'm in Texas.

Champions is waiting to hear from UPS before they send me another pistol, so things are stacked up.

I ship Fed-ex. I've probably moved 20 rifles through Fedex and a few pistols. Champions does mostly mail order business besides going to Camp Perry every year. They say this happens now and then.

So, waiting. These service CMP pistols are custom built, so it's got some wait time built in if they have to make me another one.

 

[coinshooter]

Sorry to hear about your gun. Just this week I called K-VAR to check on and order they gave ME the tracking # I called UPS THEY SAID YESTERDAY THAT they had trouble with the street address and could not deliver. that it would be here today. not 15 minutes after I HUNG UP THE lOCAL Ups office called me said the package never made it to Beaumont never made it out of las vegas.
they bumped it up the line the next party told me to call KVER AND FILE A CLAIM WHICH i did. The good folks at KVAR OR RESHIPPING TODAY. TO REPLACE THE LOST ORDER.

 

[gezzer]

UPS gets serious once the FFL shipping it turns the loss into the BATFE. The last time they lost one on me the driver showed up at the delivery address in his own car after ups was informed BATFE was involved. They go from belligerent to trying to kiss the shippers feet.

Note: the UPS union members really like to cover each others butt, however on Federal charges they also rat in a second on their union brothers.

To Bad he was arrested then and there for the theft. It broke up a ring involving several other UPS personnel. To bad they stole the head of the criminal investigation divisions Jap rifle!!

 

[busy_squirrel]

Believe it or not, it does rain and the containers often sit outside on the ramp as they are loaded one by one onto the plane......I know I have handled several rifles only because the one's I see are shipped in their black rifle case. ...Ultimately you take a risk in handing any item off to a stranger.

1. If the container can't handle being rained on, why even put the material in a container? Why not just set it on the ground on the side of the runway? Can't you get one without holes in the top? My work often ships moisture sensitive material in railcar containers, even on boats from Seattle to Anchorage without adverse affects.
2. I know of several examples where packages that are obviously firearms have strange things happen to them. Yet often, "stealth" firearms arrive with no problems. Hell, last time I received a gun (from TX to WA), the "stealth" rifle came straight to me while the empty gun case was shipped to MA first in the wrong direction halfway across the country.
3. If handing a package to a shipper is a risk, why do business with that company? That's the only reason I AM paying them, so that they take care of my package while it's in transit. I could always give it to the hitchhiking bum as he makes his way across the country, and it might arrive eventually in acceptable condition. But as a shipper, UPS (and as it happens, my job as well) is offering a service. That service isn't to get a package there no matter the condition, and it isn't to lose the product, and then only partially guarantee it.

Vis, I'm not trying to pick on you, but I've been dealing with OOPS for years, understand the quantity of material they handle, (hell, we pay over $35k/week to UPS in freight charges) and still believe they screw up too much. I'm sure you guys try hard to satisfy everyone, but even realistic resignment often comes off as non-chalance.