Using only new guns for defense

[Lone_Gunman]

How many of you will only carry a new gun for CCW or defense? I have always carried only guns that I bought new myself from a gun store and filled out the 4473 on.

My rationale has been that if I have to use it, or if I get pulled over for speeding and the police run the serial number on it, I don't want the gun to turn up to have been reported stolen years ago.

Even a gun you buy used from store could cause problems, if it was reported stolen a long time ago, then sold through multiple dealers to end up at a gun store. You could eventually clear this problem up, but in the meantime your gun would likely be confiscated, and you would appear more suspicious to the police since the gun was reported stolen.

What do you think?

 

[briangsxr600]

It wouldn't matter if you bought it in good standing.Keep you receipt and you will have nothing to worry about.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

I bought our guns new. No worries or thought about other previous use of the weapon.

But, it will be a expensive. I believe a poster earlier today managed to celebrate a 50's era weapon functioning again. That is wonderful too.

If you sell or transfer the weapons to someone else pernamently, there should be a form to fillout and send in so that the firearm is recorded as not yours anymore.

 

[deano186]

I don't buy any gun in a way that requires a paper trail. When they decide to use paperwork to collect previously 'legal' guns I don't want mine to be on the list. In my state I can legally buy from another private resident of the state (not a dealer) with no paper trail and I prefer it that way.

 

[leadcounsel]

If you sell or transfer the weapons to someone else pernamently, there should be a form to fillout and send in so that the firearm is recorded as not yours anymore.

Why?

This is the logic the LEFT has used to brainwash you into thinking that guns are A) bad, and B) criminal.

And it's a dangerous slippery slope to ultimately erode the 2A, end private transactions, require all guns to be registered and go through FFLs (increasing the cost and hassle), and destroying the ranks of ownership and ultimately lack of interest, and confiscation without much resistance.

FIGHT THAT MENTALITY!

Guns are no more dangerous inherently than knives or baseball bats. Do you think those should have special methods of sale or registration?

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Guns are NOT criminal and not requiring a paper trail.

So I fill out a form to get through a background check for the gun, whoopee dee do. No worries as there is nothing on record on myself that will affect my ability to pass such a check.

Now a criminal who DOES NOT WANT to be noticed by the "SYSTEM" (Per se) will NOT want to fill out a retail form.

 

[mbt2001]

I agree with Leadcounsel...

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Hm. Let's see here.

Suppose I sold a gun to Mr... Nuts. Mr Nuts proceeds to butcher a mall and kill 20 people.

No paper trail. That gun has a serial that will lead LEO's to my house asking me how Mr so and so got "My" gun.

I think that the system of serials on guns have started long before I came around to get old enough to buy a gun retail.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Thread veer in progress.... this thread is not about registration, or lack thereof.

I am asking specifically about the guns you use for home and personal defense. Is it better to make sure that gun is clean by using only a new gun in that role? I realize you might be able to straighten out the problem later, but if I get pulled over at 2 A.M. in Podunk, Alabama, and the gun I bought from Bubba face to face two years ago was reported stolen in 1980 by a previous owner, I don't want Barney Fife to throw me in the klink overnight til we get everything straightened out the next day.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

As long as you can prove to Barney who and where and how to contact the bubba you bought the gun from....

Dam, I stepped into this one. I will take it through.

K let's see.

When I go somewhere with guns in the car. There is the paper that is given to me by the store that sold the gun to me with my name, gun serial number on it. Also a copy of the store sales reciept with that gun.

Personally I buy something I will die and let go of that gun. I made the decision to make my gun purchase retail factory new so to ensure that barney fife does not throw me into the klink.



Should everyone march into a gunshop today, buy a weapon the same way we pay cash for a cup of coffee in a 7-11? Is this where we need to be?

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I realize if I can prove to the police man that the gun was not stolen by me, that I don't have a problem. However, you seem to be suggesting that you should carry the sales receipt for you gun with you when you CCW. How practical is that? I have never heard of anyone actually doing that. I have guns that are 20 or 30 years old that still get carried from time to time.. I have no idea where the receipts are, and even if I could find them, they would have been unreadable after being in my wallet for 20 years.

 

[thisisbullshin]

hs: Did you have to register the guns you have now?

Last I checked there isn't (in Florida) an LEO accessible gun registration database. The govt doesn't "officially" have a list of the make and serial numbers of my guns. Maybe you should move to Florida?!

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Lone Gunman, Thank you for your words.

Sorry if I came across as being rather harsh.

I loved your 20 year example.

Ok... is there a increase in a number of people being... stopped because of guns made in the Reagan Administration that some of those guns, which may have been used in crimes?

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Ok... is there a increase in a number of people being... stopped because of guns made in the Reagan Administration that some of those guns, which may have been used in crimes?

Not that I know of, but I dont see why you ask either.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Well... basically then the form 4473 is trashed after a check is completed then right? And the serial recorded by the retail shop that sold YOU the gun new.

Other than that, no one knows nothing about any weapons.

Do I have it now?

 

[Lone_Gunman]

No I dont understand what you are saying

 

[Hoxviii]

He's saying that the way the system is set up, there is no way to know if you bought the gun new or not so long as it has never been reported stolen. So there's really no difference between a retail and an FTF gun.

But, whatever I was going to CCW I'd make sure was never reported stolen, which means only buying retail or a gun you KNOW teh total hstory of.

No way I'm buying a gun and taking it to the local sheriff's department to risk forfeiting it if it does come back hot.

 

[Rockwell1]

Guns are no more dangerous inherently than knives or baseball bats

I disagree with this statement everytime lead posts it. So, once again, show me a knife or a baseball bat that can kill you from 100 yards out (aside from being dropped off a building) and I'll agree with you.

Now to the topic.

Every single one of my firearms was purchased FTF sans background check. I don't seem to be a criminal, I simply don't want the government to have any knowledge of what I do or don't own in the way of firearms.

Were I ever pulled over, a check run and my firearm come back as stolen I would state that I bought it in a private sale per state law and ask to speak to my lawyer. Being accused of firearms theft is serious business, I definitely wouldn't care to sort it out on my own.

As a side note I'd also like to point out that this is yet another argument for not disclosing your CWP status to the officer that pulls you over. Assuming no legal requirement of course.

 

[Glockman17366]

my 2nd most carried gun, a Glock 19, was purchased used.
Like all 9mm Glocks, 100% reliable.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Were I ever pulled over, a check run and my firearm come back as stolen I would state that I bought it in a private sale per state law and ask to speak to my lawyer. Being accused of firearms theft is serious business, I definitely wouldn't care to sort it out on my own.

Lets say you get pulled over at 2 AM saturday night while travelling out of state.

How do you think the officer would react, and what would he do, when he ran the SN on your gun, and it came back stolen?

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Ok, After some thought I wanted to point out what are we trying to accomplish here in this thread?

Is it?

1- To learn what is like to have a weapon that might have a bad past on the serial number in your possession out of state?

2- Should FTF sales be considered a problem?

3- Why should there be a problem with a GUN SHOP selling "HOT" guns?


I think and feel strongly that if I bought a virgin and broke it's cherry on the range brand new there should be absolutely NO possibility that the weapon is HOT.

Unless I reported the thing stolen in teh future.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I think my question was pretty clear and simple...

Should we use only guns for self defense that were purchased new, and you are the only owner, to prevent confusion and hassles if you ever have to use the gun, or are pulled over and the serial number of the gun is run by the police?

I think and feel strongly that if I bought a virgin and broke it's cherry on the range brand new there should be absolutely NO possibility that the weapon is HOT.

Of course.

 

[Rockwell1]

How do you think the officer would react, and what would he do, when he ran the SN on your gun, and it came back stolen?

If he had anysense whatsoever he'd arrest me and take me to jail. I still deem that as very unlikely to happen. I'd spend a night in jail and let my lawyer sort it out in the morning.

I'm not saying you're wrong I'm telling you what I'd do. I also point out again one of the surest ways to avoid this is not to disclose the firearm in the first place.

 

[Parabellus]

Except, of course, in places like here, the People's Republic of California, where every firearm transfer is required to go through an FFL and be registered with the Cal DoJ permanently. This way, any stolen gun should be netted by the process during the 10-day waiting period. As an added bonus the state has a list of all guns purchased by law abiding citizens so when the Constitution is suspended and/or martial law is imposed they will be able to grab our guns door-to-door.

Hi everybody! I've been reading here off and on for a while and this is a great forum. I decided to join in with my $.02 worth.

About 1/8 of all Americans live here in the PRK now and 2A has been eroding here for decades.

Russell

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Hello Parabellus. Let's hope that Train gets built to the great state of Nevada so that kalis can flee before things get REALLY bad.

They have been fleeing Kali for years into Reno and such for work and lower taxes, better air, living etc.

Never mind Oregon, they have not dried out yet.