USPSA Nationals Equipment Survey

[tarosean]

Bit surprised at the latest equipment survey with CZ being used by a majority of competitors in Production class. In my local club matches M&P's dominate Production Class followed by Glocks with a few CZ's tossed in. Open and Limited are of course dominated by 2011's thou.

Production
CZ-35%
Glock-28%
Tanfoglio-12%
S&W-9%
Springfield-8%
Beretta-2%
Sig-1%

Open
STI-77%
SV-14%
Other-9%

Limited/L-10
STI-56%
Wilson-15%
Glock-10%
SVI-14%/5%

So much for that outdated obsolete design, as a recent thread alluded.

 

[mgmorden]

Even more skewed when you consider that the CZ and the Tanfoglio guns are basically the same design - just different makers. That's about half the shooters running some variant of the CZ-75. Makes sense - you have to get used to the first DA shot but after that you've got a really light SA trigger and a steel frame to soak up what little recoil competition ammo provides.

I'm still running my M&P for now. I've got an STI DVC Limited pre-ordered so I'll be switching to Limited and shooting that for a while once that comes in, but if it wasn't for that I probably would be looking to try something different myself (though honestly I can't really complain - the M&P has been a good gun).

 

[ATLDave]

CZ's are the most common in production at most of the matches I get to, and CZ/Tanfoglios have good representation in the Limited division, too.

 

[earplug]

Game guns

I like CZ and there pistols are a quality item.
The numbers show what works well in production class, not necessarily what most of us would carry on the street.
A combination of weight and ergonomics makes a nice production gun.
Just like the Glock 34 which I suspect is the most popular Glock in such competition.

 

[Crowcifier666]

No love for Sigs? It's that pesky bore axis isn't it?

 

[Sam1911]

SIGs always seem to be very lightly represented in competition. Almost as poorly as H&Ks or Taurus or other similar brands.

CZs have made tremendous inroads in the last few years. Otherwise, it's Glock & M&P all day every day.

 

[tarosean]

No love for Sigs? It's that pesky bore axis isn't it?

Im thinking $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


I can buy a Glock/MP/XD and all needed accessories cheaper than I can pick up a Sig.

 

[tarosean]

Z/Tanfoglios have good representation in the Limited division, too.

I recently switched to a CZ in Limited. Ive only shot two matches with it and still getting used to it (swapped from Glocks). So far its one heck of a gun.

 

[ATLDave]

Im thinking $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


I can buy a Glock/MP/XD and all needed accessories cheaper than I can pick up a Sig.

But a Stock II or Limited Pro Tanfoglio will run you ~$900 and there are an order of magnitude more of those than Sigs. The P22X-series guns just aren't great gamer guns.

Also, I believe these figures are for the Nationals, where the large majority of competitors will have traveled to shoot, and most of whom will burn through thousands of bucks of ammo a year. An extra $100 or $200 on a gun is immaterial to most of them. Sig's price point doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

[g.willikers]

That many CZs is surprising.
When the CZs and clones first showed up at the matches, probably over twenty years ago, there were a lot of them, from quite a few sources, including the Springfield P series.
But then they kind of disappeared.
Wonder why they're back, now.
Maybe CZ is handing them out free with match registration?

 

[mgmorden]

But a Stock II or Limited Pro Tanfoglio will run you ~$900 and there are an order of magnitude more of those than Sigs. The P22X-series guns just aren't great gamer guns.

Also, I believe these figures are for the Nationals, where the large majority of competitors will have traveled to shoot, and most of whom will burn through thousands of bucks of ammo a year. An extra $100 or $200 on a gun is immaterial to most of them. Sig's price point doesn't have anything to do with it.

Yeah, gotta agree there. The entry fee to Nationals alone is $250 (and only the tiniest fraction of shooters are sponsored and getting that paid for by someone else - most are paying it out of pocket). With a round count of several hundred rounds you're looking at at least another $100 in ammo costs.

Combine those two with hotel and flight, and most are probably spending close to $1,000 to attend the match.

Most everyone there is shooting what they actually want to shoot, or for those few sponsored shooters what they're paid to shoot.

Bottom line is that for the most part not many competitors want to shoot a SIG. That is changing SLIGHTLY as the P320 seems to be gaining a little popularity with the production crowd, but I still don't there there will be too big of an increase there.

 

[tarosean]

Also, I believe these figures are for the Nationals, where the large majority of competitors will have traveled to shoot, and most of whom will burn through thousands of bucks of ammo a year. An extra $100 or $200 on a gun is immaterial to most of them. Sig's price point doesn't have anything to do with it.

Yeah the numbers are strictly from the Nationals in UT... I was thinking of club level where Ive only ever seen 1 person run a Sig, and that was his first time competing.

Your probably right thou.