Utah: "Gun Restriction Plan Advances"

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Wildalaska

And of course I guess we are contending that the Supreme Court or lower Courts have not ruled on this? And if they have, they are wrong I suppose.
First of all, you have merely answered my question with another question which does not answer my question at all. I reiterate my question for your edification in the hope that you will, this time, be able to elucidate an answer.

Where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights does the Congress have any authority to remove a right from any person for the remainder of their life?

To assist you in this quest, I am including links to the Historical Document webpage of the United States Congress:

Constitution

Preamble to the Bill of Rights

Bill of Rights (Amend 1-10)

Amendments 11-27

In an effort to afford you a courtesy you have failed to extend to me, I will answer your question:

The courts ruled that slavery was Constitutional until they ruled it wasn't.

The Jim Crow laws were Constitutional until they ruled they weren't.

Literacy tests for voting were Constitutional until they ruled they weren't.

Women being disallowed voting rights was Constitutional until they ruled it wasn't.

The "separate but equal" laws were Constitutional until that pesky Brown vs. Board of Education case.

Histroy is rife with examples of the USSC having found that previous rulings, considered precedent, were in fact unconstitutional.

Then again, they have found things in there that the rest of us have yet to find.

The right to privacy that is mentioned nowhere in the Constitution.

The "separation of church and state" that appears nowhere in the Constitution.

The fact is that this law, barring an ex-felon from having a firearm, is a Bill of Attainder, which is prohibited by the Supreme Law of the Land. This law creates a crime from another crime, or attains the person guilty for life, and the punishment is the loss of a Constitutional right for the rest of their life. The crime thay have committed is the crime of having committed a crime.

What are your thoughts on the Lautenberg Act which, for the first time in the history of the United States, took a Constitutional right for the commission of a misdemeanor? Does it bother you that the Lautenberg Act is an ex post facto law?

Do you feel that the Lautenberg Act will be expanded beyond its original intent to include other lesser crimes such as failure to appear for traffic citations?

There is empirical evidence that this will happen. Two examples of this are the R.I.C.O. Act and the Seizure and Forfeiture laws which have been broadened so far and wide that they pose a threat to American freedom.
 
Hello All.

In the spirit of concilliation, let me make an observation or two. Wildalaska, I do not presume to speak for you, only on your behalf; and to all, remember that these are MY observations, not necessarily Wildalaska's opinions.

First of all, it seems to me that Wildalaska's primary position is reverence for the rule of law. It is worth noting, I think, that without the rule of law, we have anarchy. Wildalaska is secure in the position that disagreement with a law does not mean that you can flout it with impunity. If you break a law, you may be assured that the justice system will attempt its own remedy, and short of a nullification by the jury, that remedy will be applied to some degree.

I also observe that Wildalaska does not state that he agrees with the particular laws under discussion, only that they are in fact the law. So, complaining that someone is punished under a particular law (especially when they knew what the law required) is missing the point to a certain degree. Yes, our sense of justice is outraged, but the real outrage is that an unjust law is allowed to stand.

By all means, a person should conduct himself or herself according to the dicatates of his/her own conscience. If conscience dictates that a person should disregard a particular law in spite of the consequences, then if one truly holds those consequences in despite, one should not then complain about those same consequences.
 
"It is worth noting, I think, that without the rule of law, we have anarchy."

& so?

I'd think that most of our ideas, or definitions about "anarchy" doesn't result in an insane & totally lawless scoiety.

Frankly, each of us is always in a state of complete anarchy in that we will always do as we choose to do.

Most, many, all of of us already do as we wish to do & really, no laws account for our own behavior or responsibility.

Anarchy has gotten a bad rap.

I am in in a constant state of anarchy & so are you.

You choose either to "obey" or not, but will always act according to your own moral code.

Rules are for idiots who never knew how to act without someone telling them how to do so .....

"Resume safe speed."

My fave roadsign.

Yeah, right.

& WA, just because it is law, doesn't make it right in the least.

You are incorrect in your assumptions, sir.
 
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