VA anti-gun parking: I just wrote to my Senators and Congressman.

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usaral63 said:
I'm a vet, and I can assure you that I do not and will not use any of their services! You may decide otherwise, your call, but I'm damned and go to hell if I will participate in any rights abrogation by anyone or agency.........I pay for my healthcare!
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You do realize you gave many of your rights up while you were in the service, right? You couldn't carry a personally owned weapon on post. You couldn't stump for your favorite candidate.
I would have understood had you said VA Medical care is subpar, and you avoid it because of that. Many say it is, my take is I paid for it with several years of my life, and I plan on using it.
 
Never ever even close to having my truck searched while working at a VA. Nowhere near a military base level of security.

What exactly is the penalty for a gun doing nothing in your truck?
 
entropy said:
You do realize you gave many of your rights up while you were in the service, right? You couldn't carry a personally owned weapon on post. You couldn't stump for your favorite candidate.
I would have understood had you said VA Medical care is subpar, and you avoid it because of that. Many say it is, my take is I paid for it with several years of my life, and I plan on using it.
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That is exactly how I feel. I was injured while serving an am now totally disabled because of those injuries. The government promised life time health care for signing up. I will hold them to it and I use the VA for all of my healthcare. I am lucky that I have a very good VA CBOC clinic close and also one of the top VA hospitals an hour away. Plus tit is across the street from the University of Missouri Hospital, again one of the top hospitals in the reagionif not the country.

Whether we like the fact that we are not allowed to have our firearms in the vehicle on VA property or not, it is a moot point until federal laws are changed. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. Especially since they like to put all military veterans on watch lists since the majority of us will uphold our oath even though we are not in uniform any longer.
 
usaral63 said:
I'm a vet, and I can assure you that I do not and will not use any of their services! You may decide otherwise, your call, but I'm damned and go to hell if I will participate in any rights abrogation by anyone or agency.........I pay for my healthcare!
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Using ''them'' for health care isn't exactly,every time mind you, using Dr. FuddyDuddy who just got off the makeshift boat from 3rdWorldistan.

Many services are very local, doctors, eye exams. Going to local hospital ER. Depending on your service , injury level / disability levels etc. , it may all be FREE and NO DIFFERENT then who / where/ when your neighbor goes to when sick.
 
Well, lemme clarify it just a bit. Firstly, I have no issue with those that LEGITIMATELY subscribe to the VA health system, other than the ones that grasp every 'freebe' that comes down the road. Provided those users are genuine in that their conditions are in fact service/combat related.....where I part company with likely most is that it is just simply the cheap and easy way out of paying the bill.......yeah, I did take that oath, and was prepared to do whatever came. As it happened my service was during the early Vietnam era..........and when my ETS arrived I did not have enough time left to be so assigned, tho with my MOS I have little doubt I would have been so posted. My bitch with the VA users I know.......at large......is that the vast majority did no combat time, are not using the 'benefit' for other than an avoidance method of paying for health care and in many, many instances were never those that ought to be first considered.........combat and directly service related. I know two, for instance, one that has arthritis that he developed in later life, another with old age related issues involving hearing, vision and sore feet...........gimme a break, that IS NOT LEGITIMATE.

Do as you will, frankly I'd feel more than guilty and humbled to sit beside a fellow that'd be shot to hell seeking his deserved treatmenty while I had sore feet!


Ex Sgt. E-5, O5C.40/
 
I don't recall there being a combat, nor "service- related" requirement to be treated at the VA. I did not see combat, and the one thing that is service related, a messed up knee from Basic, was denied because I was on the ski team in high school.
Never had an injury there, just having been a sport disqualified me. I won't get into having to fight the VA for educational or housing benefits)
So, yes, I go to the VA for basic wellness care. I do not feel ashamed about it, and I do pay, though it's less than it might be otherwise. And I'm alright with that. It not like it's a free ride or indigent treatment. I signed that same check to Uncle Sam that you did.
 
I pay for health insurance out of my FERS retirement. The VA bills BCBS everytime I go there. So in essence I am helping to pay for the treatment of all those who use the system. I am kinda curious to see if the VA also bills Medicare.
 
usaral63 said:
My bitch with the VA users I know.......at large......is that the vast majority did no combat time,
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And that sir is the wrong attitude to have. It does NOT matter if one served in combat or not. Everyone still signed that blank check AND was promised health care through the VA. And you know what, I have seen just as many "combat vets" trying to fake injuries and work the system as non combat vets. An injury incurred during training is no different than an injury incurred during combat operations.

I am rated at 100% and totally disabled. I would gladly give that up to have my good health back.
 
usaral63 said:
Firstly, I have no issue with those that LEGITIMATELY subscribe to the VA health system, other than the ones that grasp every 'freebe' that comes down the road. Provided those users are genuine in that their conditions are in fact service/combat related.....

...My bitch with the VA users I know.......at large......is that the vast majority did no combat time, are not using the 'benefit' for other than an avoidance method of paying for health care and in many, many instances were never those that ought to be first considered.........combat and directly service related.

Ex Sgt. E-5, O5C.40/
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That implies that many VA beneficiaries are no better than Bernie Moreno’s “illegals” seeking freebies.

I hope you’re not using yourself as the benchmark upon which others’ patriotism (and entitlement) is judged.
 
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Well ;then, learned fellows, just what IS the benchmark you describe..........as per example, take a man/woman that's lost body parts, rendered unable to enjoy even the basic attributes of life that has to seek support from other than the VA because they can or will do only so much...........specifically the WW project comes to mind. The services offered by that organization OUGHT to be coming from the VA, and damn sure not dependent on donations from caring citizens that already are taxed to support the VA itself!

When you get in that VA line, you are at some point in that que ahead of someone else.........if you are my sore foot friend or my old arthritic buddy then you are for sure at the least slowing the treatment of those more rightfully deserving.......................and incidentally, both those fella's are real, one army, one af, neither's condition is any result of service..........................Sorry if it offends anyone, but I do not and cannot approve of it.

And yeah, I DO view it as a benefit grab, a mindset that I find offensive and I will take a pass!!
 
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And that sir is the wrong attitude to have. It does NOT matter if one served in combat or not. Everyone still signed that blank check AND was promised health care through the VA. And you know what, I have seen just as many "combat vets" trying to fake injuries and work the system as non combat vets. An injury incurred during training is no different than an injury incurred during combat operations.

I am rated at 100% and totally disabled. I would gladly give that up to have my good health back.
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I didn't serve in combat, but we lost three crew members while I was doing B-1B flight test when it crash at La Junata after a bird strike. You don't have to be on the front lines to have your life at risk while serving. Training exercises can be dangerous, but are necessary for battle preparation.
 
Well there are a lot of us that our "creaky joints" and such are in fact service connected. There are plenty of military jobs that end up resulting in bad joints and arthritis. Being light infantry and/or airborne are just a couple of examples. And let's look at those of us Desert Storm veterans that were first diagnosed as having "Gulf War Syndrome" which was later found to be fibromyalgia. And the fibromyalgia is due to some of the shots and pills we were forced to take daily plus some of the environmental hazards we were also exposed to. But hey, to some we didn't serve in a "real war".

And yes training accidents and injuries definitely do count since the training was conducted to get us ready for combat. And the good majority of us have tinnitus and hiring loss due to our service in peace or war. But I guess we should not be compensated for that either according to some.

To @BringHomeTheBacon , I apologize for getting side tracked and derailing your original intent of this thread. To your original question. Unfortunately we would have to get federal laws changed since all VA property falls under federal laws.
 
jdh said:
I pay for health insurance out of my FERS retirement. The VA bills BCBS everytime I go there. So in essence I am helping to pay for the treatment of all those who use the system. I am kinda curious to see if the VA also bills Medicare.
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They bill my medicare so I'm sure they bill everyone's.
 
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entropy said:
You do realize you gave many of your rights up while you were in the service, right? You couldn't carry a personally owned weapon on post. You couldn't stump for your favorite candidate.
I would have understood had you said VA Medical care is subpar, and you avoid it because of that. Many say it is, my take is I paid for it with several years of my life, and I plan on using it.
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VA medical care has been really good to me is my main source of care at this point. I'll do whatever I gotta do to keep using them.
- Given some of the people I've met at the VA though....it's probably best if the whole area is a gun free zone.
 
100% combat related here. I use the VA services. Except in emergencies or when authorized by the VA to use outside services. I don't bring weapons to the VA. And if I should happen to have one in my vehicle it will be hidden and locked up and it's no one's business.
 
I work at a VA facility. As the mechanic, I have been given the task of weapons destruction. The VA police at this facility will not search cars unless there is a credible threat reported. I have only seen one search in my 11 years in maintenance. I have only had to destroy one firearm. A Smith and Wesson 38 special.

I also have to destroy duty firearms that the police are turning in. Not a lot of fun.

VA has the anti gun policy in place because patients know how to use firearms. We (vets) were all trained. If you have ever heard the term "going postal", think about someone "going VA" , and the possible damage an active shooter could do..

I am not condoning the law. I have a ccw and cannot carry to or from work.
 
I know the VA drill all to well and as mentioned it's federal property including parking. Hell, we just had an incident up here in Cleveland, Ohio where in the VA parking a Vet had an attempted car jacking and fortunately two VA employees jumped in and managed to hold one of the subjects. I guess the law exempts 13 year old rats with guns. Anyway, as mentioned it's federal property and I am about done with the VA anyway. It's the only government property I use anyway.

The job I retired from 9 years ago also had a no guns policy. The humor is we did government work and when the Admiral (Nuclear Navy) would visit his body guard had clearance for his carry gun. His clearance even went so far as to spell out make and model. :) A good friend was security administrator. She asked me what a Sig Sauer was. However, I could leave my gun in my truck.

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usaral63 said:
I'm a vet, and I can assure you that I do not and will not use any of their services! You may decide otherwise, your call, but I'm damned and go to hell if I will participate in any rights abrogation by anyone or agency.........I pay for my healthcare!
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There’s a quote for that sort of reasoning, something about nose and face.
Personal choice however. I use them for hearing aids and eyeglasses. I’m fortunate to have worked for a company that provided excellent health, even into retirement, coverage
As to the firearm. My state of residence doesn’t allow fire arms in vehicles except for transport under certain conditions unless one has a carry permit, which I don’t have, had I one I’d just remain mute on the subject while on the reservation. Never had anybody ask.
 
usaral63 said:
Well ;then, learned fellows, just what IS the benchmark you describe..........as per example, take a man/woman that's lost body parts, rendered unable to enjoy even the basic attributes of life that has to seek support from other than the VA because they can or will do only so much...........specifically the WW project comes to mind. The services offered by that organization OUGHT to be coming from the VA, and damn sure not dependent on donations from caring citizens that already are taxed to support the VA itself!

When you get in that VA line, you are at some point in that que ahead of someone else.........if you are my sore foot friend or my old arthritic buddy then you are for sure at the least slowing the treatment of those more rightfully deserving.......................and incidentally, both those fella's are real, one army, one af, neither's condition is any result of service..........................Sorry if it offends anyone, but I do not and cannot approve of it.

And yeah, I DO view it as a benefit grab, a mindset that I find offensive and I will take a pass!!
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Bet your excrement doesn't smell, either. As for the "in line in front of" comment, there's a military term, "triage" that covers that. You really think they make someone with a critical injury wait for people getting COVID shots? o_O
When I was waiting for a blood draw once, there was an inpatient on a gurney waiting (he got there after I did), he started to feel pain in his arm, another vet grabbed the phlebotomist right away, and he was on his way to the OR in less than a minute. It was a heart attack.
I don't know if he was a combat vet or not, and I don't care. That could well be me in the not so distant future, and I'd like the same consideration as he was accorded. Again, we all signed that same check to Uncle Sam; If you care not to utilize the benefits you paid for in blood, sweat, and tears, fine; more power to you. But you think you are better than any of the rest of us who do go to the VA, you are incorrect.
 
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