VA Tech:school carry

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Quick questions re: the VA Tech shooting:

Was concealed carry allowed on the campus for students when the shooting occurred?

Also, is concealed carry permitted on colleges anywhere?



(sorry, I'm sure this is answered already, but I'm not having any luck w/ searching)
 
I'm 99% sure that CCW was NOT allowed on VT at the time.

Here in MI, MSU, UofM, and Wayne state strictly forbid it.

I'd be interested to see if any schools do allow it.
 
VCU in Richmond is off limits to legal carry. It is legal to carry on VA Tech if you have your CHP unless you are a student of staffmember (well, still legal but forbidden by the University).
 
IIRC, only one VA college is legally off-limits.

Correct, the only college it's illegal to CCW by the state is VCU )8VAC90-10-50)

However, most of the other schools have no firearms policies for the students and faculty. So a student CCW would be illegal by joe blow is GTG.
 
Here at my school we were told that we'd be expelled if we brought a gun on campus. However, there is a clause in our state law that implicitly states:

"No person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity shall maintain, establish, or enforce any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting any person, except a convicted felon, from transporting and storing firearms in a locked motor vehicle, or from transporting and storing firearms locked in or locked to a motor vehicle on any property set aside for any motor vehicle."

So, my interpretation of the law is that as long as its locked in my truck, and I have my ccl, I'm good to go.
 
Utah allows carrying on campus, IIRC.
Utah allows concealed carry (with a permit) in all public schools, elementary through college. Private schools can prohibit concealed carry on their private property but such a prohibition has no force of law (trespassing laws are invoked).
 
It's not really illegal to carry at VCU, it's just prohibited by the state Admin code (not the Code of Va). The Admin Code doesn't specify any legal penalty for violating the prohibition. The penalty at VCU is the same as any other VA college -- expulsion if you're a student and termination if you're faculty/staff. VCU just added a couple of sentences to the VCU section of the state Admin code addressing guns on campus rather than writing a formal university policy like all the other VA schools have done. Lazy.
 
In NY we can only carry on a University campus with the permission of the Dean. So far ive been rejected twice.

I doubt it ever actually happens, up here.

But in VA, anything is possible. I heard that VTech had failed to pass a proposed change that would have allowed concealed carry 6 months prior to the shooting.
 
If I recall correctly, about six months prior VA Tech had a fugitive scare on campus. The fugitive was an escaped inmate armed with a sheriff's gun which was used to kill two people, a hospital security employee and another sheriff. The fugitive was William Morva, already held for murder.

That was about six months prior to the VA tech massacre. They had to hide and hope for the best missing class that day. The response by some of the student body after being reminded how vulnerable they were was to demand the ability to defend themselves be re-instated. Many people on campus actualy did have a CCW. I believe at least one of the victims of the VA tech massacre did as well.
However the head official came out and reminded everyone of the strict no tolerance weapon policy, and that anyone violating that would expelled, likely ruining thier academic career.
We all know what happened six months after that.

That said there was only a law on the books in VA against weapons in k-12. The only prohibition on weapons on the VA Tech campus came from the campus policies themselves.
Thier own rules even state that anyone found with a firearm or weapon will be asked to remove it( from person, dorm etc), and failure to comply will result in action/arrest. So merely possessing it unknown would have according to thier policy not been grounds for immediate disciplinary action, just the lawful request that it be removed from the premises.

Now asking a person once might be interpreted by them to mean forever, but legaly the person would only be breaking tresspassing laws on that specific occasion by remaining, and could leave and return at a future date if they still remained an enrolled student or employee. So if they were a registered student or an employee and complied that day and returned armed at a future date they would not be in violation of tresspassing until asked to leave once again.
What I am getting at is they have no legal backing in making someone remove a weapon, just a policy. They however do have a legal right to determine who is and is not on thier property.
So once they are allowed to come back they could do so with a firearm legaly because they are no longer tresspassing.
However the campus police may not feel the same way and charge the individual with tresspassing just for possessing the firearm. Unless they asked them to leave on that specific incident and they did not comply however I do not believe they would have legal grounds for that charge. They would still probably have to deal with it in court though.
That is from a legal standpoint.
The administration can decide to just expell the student whenever they want.

So legaly a person could, and can still carry thier CCW weapon on campus (in Virginia), and if nobody knows, and they are not asked to leave, they will be breaking no laws. Most just chose not to risk it prior to the VA Tech shooting and potentialy ruin thier career by being expelled. Also obviously only those students over 21 would be capable of having a CCW permit to begin with. However it is my understanding that VA Tech had a pretty decent percent of older individuals as students returning from the military or going back to school for a career change. So combined with the rest of the student body and the employees a lot of people were over 21.
 
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The Brady Campaign idiots have a page dedicated to why CCW in schools will result in more mass shootings. :banghead:

When I was in college I kept all my firearms in my dorm room, though I did not carry them around campus. Only a couple trusted friends knew they were there. No one ever found out or tattled, although if they had I could have faced expulsion. Most universities in this country have campus policies forbidding guns, and many states have actual state laws forbidding carry on campuses (public or private here in NC, both are forbidden).
 
Correct, the only college it's illegal to CCW by the state is VCU )8VAC90-10-50)

OK I guess I gotta ask... Why? What is different about that school that it would be called out specifically by the legislature?
 
OK I guess I gotta ask... Why?

Read my response above. The only diff is that VCU was lazy and didn't want to write their own policy. So they stuck two sentences in the state Admin code. The state legislature had nothing to do with it as the Admin code isn't state law.
 
VCU is urban and they wanted to be special. How urban? It's in downtown Richmond and doesn't even have a football team. Got 25,000+ students, but no football. The campus is divided - the old RPI (Richmond Professional Institute) just east of the Fan District on Route 1 and the Medical College of Virginia campus more or less just east of City Hall next to I-95.

I'm sure the law keeps tens of thousands of non-students from walking and driving through the campus with guns. :rolleyes:

Just assume that half the people at any bus stop on Broad St. have a gun. ;)

John...VPI grad & VCU grad.

MCV, the East campus, with I-95 in the lower right. The General Assembly and the Capitol are just out of the picture to the left.

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Yeah, VCU isnt all that (Hill Street Blues) bad. There is crime but it is mostly theft in that area. Other parts of town are a different story.

I work in downtown and The Fan, I too graduated from VCU and I find it hard to know when I am on and off campus sometimes. I imagine the rule about legal CCW may be hard to enforce for non-students.

VCU football - undefeated!!!
 
There is no law in Virginia's code that prohibits concealed or unconcealed carry at colleges and universities.

However, individual universities may enact a "no weapons" POLICY. This policy applies to people who sign a contract with the university: students, faculty, and staff. It does NOT affect parents if they're not attending the school. Therefore, a Hokie parent can carry, but his or her kid cannot IF they do not want to risk expulsion or firing (in the case of faculty and staff).

Even if they catch you, all they can do is ask you to leave immediately. If you refuse to leave, then they can charge you with trespassing.
 
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