Village Bans Police Gun Carry

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Cops feel cuffed without firearms
Hooper Bay leaders fear guns would make village more dangerous


By RACHEL D'ORO
The Associated Press

(Published: August 11, 2003)

James Hoelscher is Hooper Bay's police chief. His officers' desire to carry firearms and the village leaders' refusal to permit them have caused a rift. Town leaders fear firearms will make the village more dangerous. Police say town leaders are being unreasonable. (Photo by AL GRILLO / The Associated Press)

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Elmer Simon, tribal government administrator, said he would support properly trained officers using guns -- but only in emergency situations. (Photo by AL GRILLO / The Associated Press)

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Hooper Bay, among the last remaining communities in Alaska without running water or a sewer system, is the only known municipal government that forbids its officers from carrying guns. (Photo by AL GRILLO / Anchorage Daily News)

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Hooper Bay police officer Harold Bell talks to children playing around a barge recently. Hooper Bay is a village of 1,100 people on the windblown Bering Sea coast, about 515 miles west of Anchorage. It is among the last communities in Alaska without running water or a sewage system. (Photo by AL GRILLO / Anchorage Daily News)

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HOOPER BAY -- When Hooper Bay's seven police officers go on patrol, they tend to deal with small-town peacekeeping duties, not the violent crime of their big-city cousins. And that's fortunate, for Hooper Bay is the only known municipality in the United States whose police officers are forbidden from carrying firearms.

The desire of officers to carry arms and the refusal of village leaders to permit them have caused a rift between the two. Town leaders fear firearms will just make the village more dangerous, even in the hands of cops. Police say town leaders are being unreasonable.

"Unpredictable, unexpected things don't happen here often, but they do happen," said Police Chief James Hoelscher, 27, who has lived in Hooper Bay since he was 13 and became a village police officer at 18. "A little Yup'ik Eskimo village is not immune to what can happen in Anchorage or Los Angeles or anywhere else."

Village leaders are unconvinced.

Elmer Simon, tribal government administrator, said he would support properly trained officers using guns -- but only in emergency situations. Otherwise, he said, they should keep them locked up.

"A lot of young people wouldn't hesitate -- especially if they're under the influence of alcohol -- to grab a handgun from the officers and use it against them," Simon said. "Not that we're against handguns. But accidents do happen."

Hooper Bay is a village of 1,100 on the windblown Bering Sea coast, about 515 miles west of Anchorage. It is among the last communities in Alaska without running water or a sewage system.

The village has existed for more than a century, incorporating as a city in 1966. It has steadily grown in recent years despite high unemployment and few job opportunities. Commercial fishing and subsistence fishing and hunting are the primary means of support. Well over a third of the population is unemployed and receiving public assistance.

And no one can remember a time when police carried guns.

Hooper Bay leaders cite concerns over potential mishaps or misuse of authority, even by professionally trained officers. Hoelscher and two other officers graduated last fall from the University of Alaska Fairbanks' law enforcement academy.

Both The Fraternal Order of Police and the International Association of Chiefs of Police said they were unaware of any other organized municipality in the nation whose officers don't carry guns.

But Hooper Bay police have never carried firearms, old-timers say. And until the current flap, it's never been an issue.

"We're not a big enough village to justify carrying guns," said City Administrator Raphael Murran.

The chief said there's good reason for his officers to carry firearms. In fact, he keeps his own gun locked up at the station and, policy or not, he has taken it on a few potentially risky calls. It's not always possible to wait for armed help from state troopers in Bethel, 150 miles away, he said.

"I'd rather be fired than killed," said the married father of four. "I have a family to go home to."

Police regularly deal with such potential flashpoints as domestic violence and liquor-fueled assaults in Hooper Bay, which bans the sale or importation of alcohol, Hoelscher said. In June, police logged 104 alcohol-related calls and seven domestic violence reports. They made 33 criminal arrests on charges including assault, harassment, eluding police and furnishing alcohol to a minor.

Then there was the choking incident.

In December 2001, police answering an assault call ran into a drunk and combative man who lunged at an officer and choked him until the officer blacked out, according to court documents. The officer recovered, and the man served time in jail after pleading no contest to assaulting a police officer.

Hoelscher thinks the assault might not have occurred if the officer had been wearing a sidearm, even if it was never drawn.

"It's hard to guess what would have happened if the officer was armed," Hoelscher said. "But if people know you're armed, they might think a little harder."

Or react more aggressively, opponents say.

"Knowing an officer is armed may amplify the situation," said Simon, the tribal administrator. "All areas have to be considered. It's a serious issue."

In May, Hoelscher, five officers and three dispatchers threatened to resign in protest over what they perceive as micromanagement and a lack of support by city officials.

In his May 5 resignation letter, Hoelscher said other council policies and budget cuts undermined the department. He's running the department now on an annual budget of $330,000, compared with $490,000 two years ago, when he had 10 officers.

Ten days later, city officials met with police and voted unanimously to reject the resignations, then gave the department a vote of confidence. Guns were not mentioned at the meeting, but Hoelscher and his staff agreed to stay if the city would let police do their jobs.

"It's working out great so far," Hoelscher said. The gun issue, however, "needs to be brought up eventually. But it's a political hot potato."

Hoelscher plans to address the council after he and the two other academy-trained officers are fully certified in early November after field training by Alaska State Troopers this summer.

Mayor David Bunyan said he would support trained police officers' carrying guns at all times. He praised the current police department for cutting down on crime in a village with a history of rampant lawlessness, primarily before residents voted to outlaw alcohol in 1983.

"Training is a whole package, and gun use is part of that training package," Bunyan said.

City Councilman David Green, a former village police officer, said he opposes armed officers because of the inherent risk of abuse.

"They would start showing them off. I guarantee it," he said. "I could see the officer taking it out and doing tricks and the gun accidentally discharging. Or if they arrest somebody I'm afraid the suspect would take their gun."

Trooper 1st Sgt. Duke Ballard, a 23-year state trooper veteran, said he has mixed feelings about arming Hooper Bay police.

On one hand, there's the village's unruly past. But on the other, people are used to guns being restricted to state troopers, not local police. Then there's the cost of liability insurance, training, ammunition and weapons recertification.

"It's not a simple matter of buying a box of bullets and a gun," Ballard said.

John Olson, a lifelong Hooper Bay resident who manages the village grocery store, said many locals are uncomfortable with the idea because they think it's unnecessary, even dangerous. What if the officer dropped the gun in a scuffle? What if the wrong person got it? What if someone got hurt -- or worse?

"In this town, everyone knows everyone, a lot of people are related to each other," Olson said. "If a cop accidentally shot someone, I could see a bunch of relatives going after them.

"I personally don't mind if police carry guns. But I don't see it happening here."
 
Thats right.

The article doesn't address it, but unless there is some specific law in place, anyone in town (except the cops) could carry a concealed weapon - or open carry as far as that goes!

I guess they've made their choice; they trust the citizens more than they trust the cops.

Keith
 
A lot of young people wouldn't hesitate -- especially if they're under the influence of alcohol -- to grab a handgun from the officers and use it against them

So, they don't need guns, because someone might shoot them? That just makes my brain hurt.
 
Well over a third of the population is unemployed and receiving public assistance.
I'll have to add this place to my list for when I decide to "lose" my job and get some of my tax money back.



If the citizens get guns, then I don't have a problem with the cops having them either. All gun control makes me mad, but what really puts the icing on the cake is when they let the cops have what we the people legally can't. I guess this story is a case of the opposite -- maybe the town leaders are just trying to exact some revenge for alot of those other cities in the U.S.
 
perhaps they wouldn't have all these problems if they chose to drop prohibition and then allow their officers to carry like the rest of the population.
:rolleyes:

So I guess the middle of nowhere in Alaska is just as prone to idiot leaders, as the rest of the lower 48. :barf:
 
Sounds Like Mayberry. They got by with one unarmed Sheriff and a deputy with his one "bullet" carried in his pocket.

Why do they need 7 cops for only 1,100 citizens?

Seems like a better policy, especially in the state of AK, would be to neither prohibit nor require sidearms, no hardware (or training?) supplied at municiple expense. Risk is liability for shooting while on duty. Of course they may be liable to the cop if he/she is injured or killed while disarmed and responding to a domestic dispute, etc.
 
Why do they need 7 cops for only 1,100 citizens?

That's only two per shift and no off days + one for relief if someones sick. I believe they could use a few more.:scrutiny:
 
(AK) Cops feel cuffed without firearms

http://www.adn.com/front/story/3643250p-3676592c.html.

City Councilman David Green, a former village police officer, said he opposes armed officers because of the inherent risk of abuse.
"They would start showing them off. I guarantee it," he said. "I could see the officer taking it out and doing tricks and the gun accidentally discharging. Or if they arrest somebody I'm afraid the suspect would take their gun."
John Olson, a lifelong Hooper Bay resident who manages the village grocery store, said many locals are uncomfortable with the idea because they think it's unnecessary, even dangerous. What if the officer dropped the gun in a scuffle? What if the wrong person got it? What if someone got hurt -- or worse?

whiskey tango foxtrot???
 
perhaps they wouldn't have all these problems if they chose to drop prohibition and then allow their officers to carry like the rest of the population.

I think what's happening here (and remains unsaid), is that the cops are all white and the village is all Yupik Eskimo. They're not comfortable having a bunch of armed "outsiders" interfering in matters that are traditionally handled by the families, elders, etc.
You can't imagine how impossibly remote places like Hooper Bay are. There are no roads to places like this. These "unemployed" people don't consider themselves unemployed - they hunt whales, caribou, moose and put up thousands of salmon every summer.
When somebody goes off the deep end and commits a crime, they'd rather handle it themselves than have the white boys haul them off to be tried and imprisoned in Anchorage - a place many of them have never been and can't afford to fly to, even for a visit.

A couple of years back, another village had an armed confontation with State Troopers who had come in to take a prisoner away. Most of the village showed up at the airstrip with rifles and refused to let the Troopers come into town.

Just a slice of life in this big country of ours!

Keith
 
Pretty funny

I spent a few nights in Emmonak, and recall seeing virtually everyone carrying a firearm, often in combination with a game bag. Per capita, the SW bush is probably one of the most gun-rich spots on the planet. I suspect ownership rates among locals (discounting migrant school teachers and doctors) approaches 100%

But aren't these "police officers" really VPSO's? If so, they are the LAST people I'd want to see packing. Let everyone else be armed. I've heard of VPSO's bringing in the VSOP, but haven't heard too much about their crime-fighting prowess. :D
 
I wouldn't police there for love nor money.
I would. I would show up at the Police station, and as soon as roll call was done, I would drive straight home. If I got a call on my radio, I would just tell them that I'm busy watching TV. Whoever made the call would be welcome to handle the situation. They could fire me for all I would care. Then I would be unemployed, on welfare, and fishing and hunting in Alaska. How cool would that be????? :p ;) :D WAY :cool: :evil:
 
In December 2001, police answering an assault call ran into a drunk and combative man who lunged at an officer and choked him until the officer blacked out, according to court documents. The officer recovered, and the man served time in jail after pleading no contest to assaulting a police officer.

"In this town, everyone knows everyone, a lot of people are related to each other," Olson said. "If a cop accidentally shot someone, I could see a bunch of relatives going after them.

I'll bet you a box of Krispy Kremes that "a bunch of relatives" didn't wind up "going after" the guy that choked the unarmed cop.


LawDog
 
i think these are actual LEO's, anyone can be a VPSO. but a vpso has to call in the troopers for any major crime, and when they make arrests they have to have the troopers escort the suspect out of there to the nearest court, or am i wrong? i've never lived in a village, and never intend to.

the comment earlier about 'outsiders' doing the policing, i think thats a correct assessment. native alaskans are very prejudiced against whites in particular.
 
No sewer...
No electricity...

So what else would you expect from what certainly must be the most backward "city" in the U.S.

Maybe in a few more decades, they'll make it into the TWENTIETH century and realize the benefits of armed Law Enforcement.

(I agree that there is almost certainly a lot being left out/unsaid. I'll bet that Keith has it right--it's a "Native vs Outsider" battle.)
 
"A lot of young people wouldn't hesitate -- especially if they're under the influence of alcohol -- to grab a handgun from the officers and use it against them,"

Hmmm, if that's the case, then there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with that community's young people - a problem which needs to be addressed mucho pronto irrespective of the gun policy. Like some gun safety, and discipline, and respect for law, and the teaching that say, I dunno, murder is wrong, and maybe even enforcement of the alcohol consumption laws. Once again, it ain't the guns that are the problem. In fact, if those are indeed the kind of kids they have there, then god help those cops - they obviously need firearms if that is the state of the morals of the "young people" in questions - particularly "a lot" of them.

"In this town, everyone knows everyone, a lot of people are related to each other," Olson said. "If a cop accidentally shot someone, I could see a bunch of relatives going after them".

So much the better - all the more reason that arming them is OK - since the cops know this fact, there's a nice, built-in containment check on behavior, making a cop much more likely to be careful, and less likely to accidentally shoot someone - unlike in big cities. :confused:
 
Call me a primitive screwhead

"Maybe in a few more decades, they'll make it into the TWENTIETH century and realize the benefits of armed Law Enforcement."

But I have to wonder just what those "benefits" are? I can defend myself. Why do I need some macho shaved-head LEO threatening me with jail time? I think the folks out in the bush are onto something.
 
Hooper Bay, no sewer, no electricity, a third of the population on welfare, lots of drunks despite prohibition, topped off with
City Councilman David Green, a former village police office, said he opposes armed officers because of the inherent risk of abuse. "They would start showing them off. I guarantee it," he said. "I could see the officer taking it out and doing tricks and the gun accidentally discharging..
Maybe this city council man and former local cop hit the nail on the head, and "Hooper Bay's Finest" aren't so . . . fine? :rolleyes:
 
Cos,

I tend to agree with you. These folks don't feel they need law enforcement and they didn't ask for law enforcement...
They have their own way of enforcing things and it's been tested for thousands of years. Cops are a relatively new phenomena in the world and small communities got along without them just fine.

Keith
 
Hmmm, if that's the case, then there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with that community's young people - a problem which needs to be addressed mucho pronto irrespective of the gun policy. Like some gun safety, and discipline, and respect for law, and the teaching that say, I dunno, murder is wrong, and maybe even enforcement of the alcohol consumption laws

Futo you are talking about one of the most isolated and poverty stricken places in Alaska...simplistic solutions dont work....in fact rpobably nothing will work until the US provides the same bebeifts to Hooper Bay that it provides to the rest of the US...like infrastructure...

WildiliketoiletpapaersoiminAnchorageAlaska
 
Cosmoline - I suspect you're not the one who would be responding to the bloody assault in progress calls, or business burglary calls, or domestic violence calls that have caused the police to request firearms.

All the best
 
I fail to see the great controversy,
The village has existed for more than a century, incorporating as a city in 1966.
They incoporated as a city in '66, and chose to have a police force.
Police regularly deal with such potential flashpoints as domestic violence and liquor-fueled assaults in Hooper Bay, which bans the sale or importation of alcohol, Hoelscher said. In June, police logged 104 alcohol-related calls and seven domestic violence reports. They made 33 criminal arrests on charges including assault, harassment, eluding police and furnishing alcohol to a minor.
They obviously want a police force, because it receives frequent calls for service.
In December 2001, police answering an assault call ran into a drunk and combative man who lunged at an officer and choked him until the officer blacked out, according to court documents.
In 2001, they had good reason to reconsider the safety needs of their officers.
Police Chief James Hoelscher, 27 , who has lived in Hooper Bay since he was 13 and became a village police officer at 18.
Hoelscher and two other officers graduated last fall from the University of Alaska Fairbanks' law enforcement academy.
So the Chief and two other officers get sent to an Academy a year later (not exactly rushing things), and once they complete feild training with the State Troopers, would like to carry.

As to the noise from the peanut gallery, I would point out that the Chief appears to have been doing the job without a sidearm for nine years, and doesn't appear to be a power mad psychopath. :rolleyes: The fact that the city formed a police force, and recently voted their confidence in them, would seem to indicate that they do want law enforcement. :eek: As to the councilman and former officer, how many years before they sent their first officers to the academy did he work there? :scrutiny:
 
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