Violent Home invasion, a Bull Mastiff Pup, and Spiders

[Kleanbore]

This is lengthy, but it is worth watching. US law would not support the actions of the defenders, but we can learn from this.

What it tells me is that the idea of living in a 'hardened" residence with the doors locked all the time, having a gun stashed somewhere, and believing oneself to be secure lies more in Fantasyland than the real world today.

https://thetacticalprofessor.net/2023/06/17/home-invasion-part-i/

 

[Scrapiron45]

My initial viewing left me with the impression that she allowed the intruder access to the house while he was wearing a mask.
Wear your gun.

The whole family seemed to be lacking in situational awareness in consideration of the political climate at the time.
The same could be said for most Americans today.
Wear your gun.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

Here is part 2. Scary experience.

 

[JTHunter]

Kleanbore - an interesting and frightening video. From the accents and grammar, it sounds like this happened in South Africa. This woman did a good job of keeping her head with all of this going on but she has learned a valuable lesson. Any wagers on whether or not this woman keeps her .38 close at hand now?

 

[lightman]

I would expect for any invader to be hyped up on some chemical and to blow in in a rush. I expect to get hit, cut or shot at before I can get set to defend myself. Getting control of the situation is probably going to be difficult. I just hope I can lay hands on Mr Glock!

 

[The Night Rider]

I expect to get hit, cut or shot at before I can get set to defend myself.

That's a pretty good indication that you need to work on hardening your home

 

[The Night Rider]

Clearly, it's time for this again,



I didn't watch more than 2 minutes of that video. I turned it off when she said the masked man came to her door and knocked and she told him to come in. So clearly the door wasn't even locked.

If you aren't positive who's on the other side of that door don't open it.

Is that concept really that hard to grasp?

 

[wayneinFL]

What it tells me is that the idea of living in a 'hardened" residence with the doors locked all the time, having a gun stashed somewhere, and believing oneself to be secure lies more in Fantasyland than the real world today.

I don't live in South Africa and run a business out of my home. I don't have strangers coming and going. My home isn't open to the public. My gun isn't upstairs under my bed.

I'm not saying I'm 100% secure. No one is. But I'm not exactly letting a masked bandit or a vagrant with a violent past in my home. And I'm still more prepared than this family was.

Beyond the obvious lack of preparedness, what do you think of the womens' compliance/lack of compliance? Better to get shot fighting back than be forced into the trunk of a car and get shot at a second crime scene that your assailant controls. She resisted, submitted, and the guy wasn't able to start the car, because of a second ignition switch.

 

[Kleanbore]

Better to get shot fighting back than be forced into the trunk of a car

Not for the victims here. They survived unhurt.

 

[The Night Rider]

Not for the victims here. They survived unhurt.

As you're so fond of pointing out that was entirely at the discretion of the people who kidnapped them

 

[Kleanbore]

As you're so fond of pointing out that was entirely at the discretion of the people who kidnapped them

Of course.

 

[lightman]

That's a pretty good indication that you need to work on hardening your home

Perhaps!
I have a monitored alarm system that also sends alerts to my phone and cameras that send alerts to our phones. Solid doors, dead bolt locks, motion and glass breakage. I didn't mean to sound like I'm helpless. If I'm awake you're not going to get the jump on me. I always have a handgun near me, very near me! But if I'm sound asleep at night it would be possible. I sleep light, wake up easily and am more coherent than average. But I don't claim to be a Ninja!

 

[citizenconn]

The whole family seemed to be lacking in situational awareness in consideration of the political climate at the time.
The same could be said for most Americans today.

You, my friend, have won the internet comment of the day. Amen.

 

[wolf695]

In my state crooks seem to have more rights than victims. Remember to check all laws that apply to you and yours about what is legal or not? Cams and alarms are good. plus add some steel! two steel handles screwed to the door frame and a piece of flat bar. So, even if they have that illegal lock pick tool, they get no where! Plus dogs are good too!

 

[jeepnik]

Here’s the thing about home invasions. It’s a bit of wisdom passed on by an LAPD homicide detective almost 50 years ago.

Growing up the detective lived d a few doors down the block. In fact, his daughter and I discovered a lot of things together in the 60’s.

His advice was simple. Keep them outside. You don’t need or want bars on the windows and doors. But well designed and installed window shutters that blend in BBC with your home’s design work very well.

Doors can be replaced with ones of heavy construction. A steel door and frame or a properly installed heavy wooden door would both require they be ripped off of the house to break in.

Well designed perimeter fencing, lights (and today cameras) and even proper plant selection and locating all make your home unattractive to criminals but aren’t even given a second glance by most folks.

 

[hso]

the idea of living in a 'hardened" residence with the doors locked all the time, having a gun stashed somewhere, and believing oneself to be secure lies more in Fantasyland than the real world today.

Odd since she clearly states that the did not live in a secure residence and that she even motioned a masked stranger into the house while she was on the phone.

It seems there is no relationship to secured residences.

 

[Kleanbore]

Odd since she clearly states that the did not live in a secure residence and that she even motioned a masked stranger into the house while she was on the phone.

It seems there is no relationship to secured residences.

Yeah, my comment was oblique and indirect. My point--the perp cam ein through an open door. Locking doors can be helpfil, but perps can still come in--almost all doors are unlocked at times--bringing in groceries, ging in o get a beer or to get the meat for the grill, etc.

 

[hso]

almost all doors are unlocked at times

Another reason to have a clearly established perimeter and barriers in depth.

Another take away is she referred to all the diamond jewelry she was wearing so we clearly have something of an ostentatious display of wealth that can attract the wrong attention while out and about. Make a display of wealth and you become a target.

 

[Blue Jays]

This borderline obsession with answering assorted doorbells and knocks simply astounds me.
It is your yard, your door, your house, your time, plus your valuable life. No need to answer.

 

[Kleanbore]

No need to answer.

I prefer having people know that the house is occupied.

 

[Blue Jays]

"…I prefer having people know that the house is occupied…"

Mas Ayoob has illustrated precisely how to very effectively do that without physically answering the door.
The video has been posted time, and time, and time again. Leave the door (plus windows) closed and locked.

 

[Kleanbore]

Mas Ayoob has illustrated precisely how to very effectively do that without physically answering the door.
The video has been posted time, and time, and time again./QUOTE]Physically.

Leave the door (plus windows) closed and locked.

One cannot bring in the groceries, come in for a beer, take the meat out to the grill, or come in from the car, take out the trash, etc. while the door is locked.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Yeah, my comment was oblique and indirect. My point--the perp cam ein through an open door. Locking doors can be helpfil, but perps can still come in--almost all doors are unlocked at times--bringing in groceries, ging in o get a beer or to get the meat for the grill, etc.

I don't actually spend time in my yard, so the latter two don't apply to me. Bringing in groceries, any time I am going in either direction between my car and a destination (whether a store or my house), before opening the door I look around outside to see if there is anything/anyone that might be dangerous, and if so I change my plan. So if I drove into my driveway and observed a possibly problematic person anywhere nearby I would just back out again, drive around a couple of corners and either wait for them to go away or possibly call 911, depending on whether it's just someone I don't know or someone who really looks like trouble. If nobody is visible within foot distance of my car or house, I can safely bring the groceries inside.

 

[Kleanbore]

If nobody is visible within foot distance of my car or house, I can safely bring the groceries inside.

Don't count on it.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Don't count on it.

So are you saying I shouldn't bother checking?

Thank G-d this is not my old house in North Hollywood. Small city in Arizona.