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  1. Craig_VA

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    VCDL has announced a FIGHT SONG!
    "Kenneth Hall, a patriot from Nebraska who is also a singer, approached us and told us we could use any of the songs he has recorded free of charge. Having listened to a few of his songs, I [VCDL President Phil Van CLeve] asked him if he could do a special version of Petty's song for VCDL.

    "He agreed and the song (a parody version) is called "We Won't Back Down" and is royalty free for our use!

    "Click here to listen to VCDL's new fight song."
     
  2. Corpral_Agarn

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    if what i am reading on ar15 is even half true, your going to have a lot of people out there.
     
  3. LiveLife

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    Because likely openly supporting 2A causes may negatively impact their companies' bottom line. NRA tried to keep their largest donors anonymous - https://www.bustle.com/p/the-nras-b...allowed-to-remain-anonymous-heres-why-9799240

    But New York Times revealed 1000 of the largest NRA donors and chances are many were pressured against supporting NRA after the reveal and many cut ties with NRA - https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/daily-bulletin-nra-scotus-sandy-hook-charleston/

    Here's THR thread "Are there any PRO gun billionaires?" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/are-there-any-pro-gun-billionaires.742288/page-3

    My guess is that if there are pro-gun billionaires, they may have already worked to protect/preserve gun rights/2A in ways that may not be obvious or out in the open.

    And I believe a grassroots movement by gun owners to pressure law makers is better than billionaires making large contributions in gaining public support.
     
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    I'm going with a friend and his FFL friend. I also know of at least two others that are going from my office.
     
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    Conservative billionaires wouldn't consider RKBA politically correct.
     
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  6. LiveLife

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    I agree.

    To me, issue at hand is the WILL of the majority being imposed on the RIGHTS of the minority, as protected by Bill of Rights.

    Like many other civil rights issues that won protection for minority groups from the majority, I believe right to self protection/defense by gun ownership should be the next civil rights movement - https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/28/gun-rights-are-a-civil-rights-issue/
     
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    That's a hint, isn't it?
     
  8. LiveLife

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    It will be for the people to decide.

    If town hall meetings in Virginia is an indication, they are speaking loudly for their rights.

    Bedford County becomes a Second Amendment sanctuary


    BTW, here's a good review of VA gun control bills that could be knocking on others states soon (No more hiding in free states) - Virginia turns Anti-Gun overnight with Bloomberg – Waste no time with gun confiscation SB16,18,64

    Virginia Gun Control Bills | What You Need to Know

    12/14/19 Update: Does the Boogaloo Begin in Virginia?
     
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  9. JERRY

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    the Virginia governor is going to pass registration of all ar15 type guns, no grandfathering. This way he will know who has them when confiscation becomes law. you won't be able to sell them or transfer them out of state without proper FFL paperwork, so brother-in-law in next state can't help. sure you can have a "boating" accident, then get caught with a firearm that makes you an instant felon as if you stole it yourself..... voter apathy in Virginia has paved the way to make it the California of the east coast since it already has taxes higher its neighbors. the law won't be reversed in any court, California et al. are proof of that, the Supreme court won't bother with it because you can still get a permit to conceal carry a 5 shot J frame, which meets the 2nd amendment requirements. BTW, look for ccw permits to get a few more restrictions to obtain and become off limits.
     
  10. LiveLife

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    Incorrect.

    In March of this year, federal judge Benitez overturned CA ban on larger than 10 round capacity magazines with judgement legalizing all capacity magazines followed by a stay - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/happy-days-in-ca.849757/page-2#post-11098192

    And many anti gun laws HAVE BEEN reversed in CA ... it's just that media won't provide much coverage of these case wins for gun owners.

    And while we wait on 9th Circuit appeal for Duncan v Becerra, president Trump just appointed 10th judge to 9th Circuit so future panel make up could be conservative pro gun/2A - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tw...firmed-over-objections-of-california-senators

    And Assault Weapons ban, ammunition sales ban along with other gun rights issues are being challenged in court as we speak (See page 2 for current 9th Circuit cases) - https://crpa.org/news/litigation/november-court-report/
     
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    youre right about media coverage. please show some laws that have been reversed, not just challenged in court. heller vs. d.c. is one.
     
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    We don't know that that will be the outcome. I would say that there's a 25% chance there will be no AWB at all, a 50% chance of a prospective AWB with grandfathering and no registration (like the 1994-2004 federal ban), a 25% chance of grandfathering with registration, and no chance at all of a complete AWB with no grandfathering (the governor has already backed away from that).
    I agree that the only purpose of registration would be to facilitate a later outlawing. (That's the strongest argument against it.) But, the legislature would have to revisit the issue in order to outlaw the guns. They can't do it suddenly. You would be able to move the guns out of state. This could be done either by moving yourself to the other state, or placing the guns in storage there. As long as you still own the guns (and are the only one to have access to them), there is no "transfer" that would require the involvement of an FFL.

    "Confiscation" implies that the government would take the guns, with or without compensation. The government doesn't have to "confiscate" (take the guns). It can simply declare them illegal (contraband), the way it did with bump stocks. And the same thing would happen to the guns as happened with bump stocks: they'll simply "disappear" never to be seen again.
     
  14. LiveLife

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    Bingo.

    I have CA registered AW but when I die, I cannot transfer to my children unless I sell/transfer outside of CA (Good thing I have family in other states). So effectively, registered AWs inside CA will become outlawed as registered owners die off.

    So registration equals gun ban.

    Wife and I are regularly examining other states to move to and this option is still viable.
     
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    One tactic the antis could use to "sell" a registration scheme would be to exempt registered guns from a future ban on transfers. You would therefore have a situation with "transferable" AWs, the same as we have now with "transferable" machine guns. This, combined with a prospective ban (a "Hughes Amendment" for semiautomatics) would mean that prices for registered, existing guns would go through the roof, resulting in a windfall for current owners. (I'm surprised that the gun-banners haven't suggested this, because it would divide gun owners.)
     
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    I apologize, I should have been more specific. what laws restricting magazine capacities, ownership of AR15s and similar "assault" rifles, issuance of carry permit, ammunition restrictions, et cet. have been overturned in contemporary times other than Heller (D.C.) and McDonald (Il.). it seems there have been far more anti laws passed than over turned.
     
  17. jr45

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    I attended one of the counties board of supervisors meeting last night (one of the wealthier counties) and they voted for the 2nd Amendment sanctuary by unanimous vote. Though it was very cold and windy, there had to be close to 2,000+/- supporters there! We must keep up the pressure to prevent many of these proposed laws from making it to the books. The state's senators, delegates, AG, and governor are starting to take notice. Also, don't forget about the rally in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020. See VCDL.org for details.
     
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    Let's keep in mind that the AWB (the most controversial of the governor's antigun package) has the function of distracting attention from all the other items on his agenda. This may have been deliberately planned on his part. He can drop the AWB in exchange for having all the other items sail through the legislature (UBCs, "Red Flag," one-handgun-a-month, repeal of state preemption, making carry permits more difficult to obtain, etc.). The net result of all this would still be to set gun rights back a lot.
     
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    Please read the VCDL statement at
    Important: VCDL statement about Lobby Day
    Key information there:
    Monday, January 20, is VCDL's Lobby Day. It is not VCDL's Protest Day.
    Details on the laws affecting carry at the capitol
    If you are asking how you can help with VCDL's mission, carrying long guns at Lobby Day is not helpful - it is a distraction.

    Much more.
    Thank you.
     
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    Some men are just not built right to attend a protest. They will give you their time and their money and their prayer and their goodwill (and mean it). They will leave their homes, county and country and get down to business with you on a battlefield but they are not going to attend a protest.
     
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    That black guy in the middle link hit the nail right on the head. WE have been our own worst enemy by not getting out the vote or solely relying on the NRA to run some ads.
     
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    VCDL is very experienced and their guidance should be heeded.

     
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    Another opportunity for those that can afford it is to pay for seats on the buses for others.

    I'm not even a VA resident and I'm paying for 3 seats so folks can make the trip easier.

     
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    This popped up in my FB feed. Many of you have likely already seen it, but just thought I'd share it here with like-mined people. It's worth the four minutes.

     
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    I dont think we'll have to worry about VCDL members or other like minded folks, it's the folks that we keep hearing about online (AR15) that could be a problem.

    This is the first of that site I've heard (I know behind the times) but I'm going to take a look and see exactly what they're proposing.
     
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