I voted with my feet for the first time today on CCW. Deer hunting in Northern WI, and a restaurant I normally stop at had a big 'no weapons, concealed or otherwise" sign in the window. I stopped in to let them no about their loss, and then went to the place next door.
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orionengnr
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Good job. Sometimes the direct method is the best.
Hope you talked to the manager or owner...the front-line employees probably don't care and are powerless to change the policy.
Hope you talked to the manager or owner...the front-line employees probably don't care and are powerless to change the policy.
Yes, it only does any good if you tell management why you're taking your money to their competitors.
oldbear
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Vlad357, now that is the best way to effect change, good for you.
Steve Raacke
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I go home and add them to the Friend or Foe dot US webpage so everyone can know ahead of time that they are antigun.
We went out for pizza shortly after Ohio changed the law concerning carry in a place that serves alcohol. The Pizza Hut down the road has the "anti-gun" sign on the door.
Figured nobody important would be working at 9pm or too busy to care, so I emailed Pizza Hut corporate. A woman replied she would forward my message to the owner of that restaurant.
Two months later, this weekend, we pulled in to Pizza Hut and saw the sign.
Went to another pizza place and replied to the previous response from my phone while waiting on food.
I told them not to bother with their policy because I won't be back and found another place that allows customers to be responsible for themselves. After that amount of time, I know they stand by their sticker.
Might seem stupid to some that it's just a pizza joint but it's my money and I do "vote with my feet".
Figured nobody important would be working at 9pm or too busy to care, so I emailed Pizza Hut corporate. A woman replied she would forward my message to the owner of that restaurant.
Two months later, this weekend, we pulled in to Pizza Hut and saw the sign.
Went to another pizza place and replied to the previous response from my phone while waiting on food.
I told them not to bother with their policy because I won't be back and found another place that allows customers to be responsible for themselves. After that amount of time, I know they stand by their sticker.
Might seem stupid to some that it's just a pizza joint but it's my money and I do "vote with my feet".
Because they don't care about 2nd Amendment rights the only thing that can effect change is causing them to loose money. That is the only thing they care about. You did the right thing. We just have to show them that gun friendly businesses get our money and anti-gun businesses do not. It's just that simple. Luckily there are usually many alternatives to shop at so it is not that difficult.
langenc
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Pizza or steak-no discrimination... Get em all..
It is a waste of time and effort talking to a Pizza Hut corporate rep when the business was a locally owned franchise. If you had spoken with the actual owner who is far more impacted by the loss of your business than an employee of the Pizza Hut you might have affected a change.
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Bubbles
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When it comes to restaurants, interestingly enough I've found that the "ethnic" ones are much more receptive to CCW and OC than the "American" ones.
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my wife and i eat at a special resturant when we shop in the next town(large mall),i ask the owner if he ok,ed ccw,s there. he ask if i was carrying and i said yes and he said so am i. no problem. we make it a point to eat there when we go close to his place and if he,s there he always comes over to say hello. eastbank.
leadcounsel
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Kudos.
I've voted with my dollars many many times, and continue to do so. Products, vacation places, states I avoid, and restaurants.
I often let the owner or manager how much I had intended to spend, and why I'm leaving. I love the look on their face when they watch $100 or whatever walk out the door because of their stupid policy.
Yes, emailing corporate is a waste of time. You've got to talk to the man who's job is day to day based on restaurant profits.
I've voted with my dollars many many times, and continue to do so. Products, vacation places, states I avoid, and restaurants.
I often let the owner or manager how much I had intended to spend, and why I'm leaving. I love the look on their face when they watch $100 or whatever walk out the door because of their stupid policy.
Yes, emailing corporate is a waste of time. You've got to talk to the man who's job is day to day based on restaurant profits.
Ghost Tracker
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It's the logic of the sign(s) that makes me wonder if I want to eat there. In what series of circumstances are those "No Guns Allowed" postings going to have their intended result? And I would be interested to know if business volume is favorably or unfavorably effected by their appearance. Do more folks eat there or avoid the place after noticing the sign? Are there more sheep...or more sheepdogs?
I just got back from Madison WI. I was there for 2 weeks for some schoolin'. Anyways, I saw a few no guns signs but I ate at those places anyways. I would have avoided them if they weren't also the breweries serving the best beer around. Then again, I didn't have a gun and I was in a BREWERY, which I wouldn't be all for guns in anyways. Makes me a little uncomfortable, hahaha. Either way, it doesn't bother me much, I just avoid 'em (back home, I mean) I don't figure they want gun people in there or they wouldn't have put the sign up. They made their choice.
Didn't WI, just pass a "no CCW required law"?
Didn't WI, just pass a "no CCW required law"?
W.E.G.
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Who would really recommend a sign that says "no illegal guns?"
That is wrong from every perspective.
By all means tell the managers when they are driving your business away.
Be sure to compliment the folks who stand up for your rights, or who at least have the good sense to butt their business out of the political posturing.
I wrote to Starbucks when they publicly announced that they were NOT going to prohibit guns in their stores unless state law required it - which almost no state does.
That is wrong from every perspective.
By all means tell the managers when they are driving your business away.
Be sure to compliment the folks who stand up for your rights, or who at least have the good sense to butt their business out of the political posturing.
I wrote to Starbucks when they publicly announced that they were NOT going to prohibit guns in their stores unless state law required it - which almost no state does.
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There is a thread on here with an idea of a card you can hand over to anti establishments to change their minds. As long as it isn't too confrontational, as long as the owner of the establishment doesn't feel backed against a wall, he may be more apt to do it. But it should warn nicely that anti establishments will be listed online so that others can boycott them as well.
One store here, Fred Meyer, they have an anti position but it isn't enforced at all locations. The one here behind the military base and their range complex and next to two large shooting ranges on the way to the forests, they don't have anti signs and they don't say anything when I carry in there. Lots of folks boycott stuff like that here, OpenCarry.org is REAL big here, and organized that big Starbucks deal awhile back, which is just down the street from this Fred Meyer. So I think the community has a lot to do with it too, and some will just try and see if it sticks. If they make it anti and nobody says anything...
I suspect some do it out of fear of insurance. If a shooting happens in their store and they get sued, they can just say "we had a sign, not our fault".
What we have to do is make it more expensive to take that route through loss of sales. And stop dealing with the "enemy". I certainly don't want to spend in a store that has an anti policy AND donates large amounts of money to political campaigns. By not shopping there, they have to refigure how much they are willing to donate due to a cut in profits.
It also sends a message to other stores --tell the ones that allow it or don't bother you or whatever why you shop there. Positive reinforcement works well in tandem with negative reinforcement.
Since those signs don't mean anything here legally, I carry where I want (and since they don't mean anything, they aren't popular). They can ask me to leave and get me for trespassing if I refuse, but I wouldn't refuse, I'd start the boycott and spread the word.
Some things are just worth doing this way. I still boycott BP and a LOT of folks around here do too. In WA, and over what happened in the Gulf. As a southerner, as someone who spent times in those waters, I cried over what they did down there. To give them any money, I couldn't live with it. Mind you, they have the cheapest gas around here. They are always the lowest price, even if there are four on a corner, they will ALWAYS be cheapest. But for some reason, they seem to be going under left and right now. The closest one to me, they closed completely because they tried to change the name and fool people, but when people learned the gas still came from BP, rather the money went to BP for that gas, they stopped going. There are few like that in the news I heard about, but this one I've seen the impact. In just over one year, they went from being the biggest gas station on the corner to being out of business so bad that even the color of the building and the signs keeps people away --they are currently bagged and wrapped up in black plastic while the new owner seem to be rushing to try and get business back up and changing the colors and front so folks will know BP doesn't get money from this location any longer.
Some folks start a boycott and don't follow through. Personally, I won't use BP ever again for what they got away with in the Gulf. And seeing the fruits of my labors and others in concert, it has inspired me to do this with anything that bothers me. It seems you get one political vote with little meaning, but you get many votes with your dollars. Since business is in business for money and not ideology, I think they would be more than willing to change the ideology they do espouse in order to get bigger profits and more business.
If you feel wronged, most certainly go someplace else. And if you don't care and shop at anti establishments because you can't resist, why not go ahead and donate a little to the Brady Campaign while you're at it? I mean, why not? The stores you frequent, they do, so since you both feel the same way you should work together to succeed at your goals.
Yessir, vote with them dollars!
One store here, Fred Meyer, they have an anti position but it isn't enforced at all locations. The one here behind the military base and their range complex and next to two large shooting ranges on the way to the forests, they don't have anti signs and they don't say anything when I carry in there. Lots of folks boycott stuff like that here, OpenCarry.org is REAL big here, and organized that big Starbucks deal awhile back, which is just down the street from this Fred Meyer. So I think the community has a lot to do with it too, and some will just try and see if it sticks. If they make it anti and nobody says anything...
I suspect some do it out of fear of insurance. If a shooting happens in their store and they get sued, they can just say "we had a sign, not our fault".
What we have to do is make it more expensive to take that route through loss of sales. And stop dealing with the "enemy". I certainly don't want to spend in a store that has an anti policy AND donates large amounts of money to political campaigns. By not shopping there, they have to refigure how much they are willing to donate due to a cut in profits.
It also sends a message to other stores --tell the ones that allow it or don't bother you or whatever why you shop there. Positive reinforcement works well in tandem with negative reinforcement.
Since those signs don't mean anything here legally, I carry where I want (and since they don't mean anything, they aren't popular). They can ask me to leave and get me for trespassing if I refuse, but I wouldn't refuse, I'd start the boycott and spread the word.
Some things are just worth doing this way. I still boycott BP and a LOT of folks around here do too. In WA, and over what happened in the Gulf. As a southerner, as someone who spent times in those waters, I cried over what they did down there. To give them any money, I couldn't live with it. Mind you, they have the cheapest gas around here. They are always the lowest price, even if there are four on a corner, they will ALWAYS be cheapest. But for some reason, they seem to be going under left and right now. The closest one to me, they closed completely because they tried to change the name and fool people, but when people learned the gas still came from BP, rather the money went to BP for that gas, they stopped going. There are few like that in the news I heard about, but this one I've seen the impact. In just over one year, they went from being the biggest gas station on the corner to being out of business so bad that even the color of the building and the signs keeps people away --they are currently bagged and wrapped up in black plastic while the new owner seem to be rushing to try and get business back up and changing the colors and front so folks will know BP doesn't get money from this location any longer.
Some folks start a boycott and don't follow through. Personally, I won't use BP ever again for what they got away with in the Gulf. And seeing the fruits of my labors and others in concert, it has inspired me to do this with anything that bothers me. It seems you get one political vote with little meaning, but you get many votes with your dollars. Since business is in business for money and not ideology, I think they would be more than willing to change the ideology they do espouse in order to get bigger profits and more business.
If you feel wronged, most certainly go someplace else. And if you don't care and shop at anti establishments because you can't resist, why not go ahead and donate a little to the Brady Campaign while you're at it? I mean, why not? The stores you frequent, they do, so since you both feel the same way you should work together to succeed at your goals.
Yessir, vote with them dollars!
YankeeClipper
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I see your point. One store in Malta Montana has a"NO GUNS ALLOWED" sign. One on my Navy buddies worked there so when I went in I made sure I had pistol in my pocket and of course I never spent dime just drank the free coffee.
MuleRyder
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+1!
I must admit I hardly notice those signs and go in anyway (CCW) if I do. I should 'vote with my feet' but don't really think about it. The big chains that don't allow it I write to corporate and stay clear of, ie. toys r us, jared's jewlers, etc.
Sadly I believe those companies still operate under the assumption that most people don't CC and don't care if it is not allowed in their store. Although they may loose a small bit of business to angry concealed carriers they save more money with their insurance companies and possible lawsuits.
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