Vz 24 and 8mm Mauser Ammo ?'s

[Killermonkey21]

I recently bought a Vz 24 chambered in 8mm mauser from another high roader and I had some questions.

The rifle is stamped 1938 on the top of the chamber, that IS the year it was produced, correct? The bolt, unfortunately, is not matching, but oh well. She is in pretty good condition, with the usual dings to the stock. The chamber and bolt are both in great shape. Is there a site where I can check my serial numbers to get a place of manufacture and history?

The ammo is Yugoslavian I believe. Not sure. Its stamped (in clockwise fashion) 7.9/FS/1940/T (cressent moon and star) C. Am I right to assume this is 1940's manufacture and produced in a Muslim country? The bullet is steel and its brass cased with black sealant on the primer. Any more info on it?

I appreciate any and all info. Thank you.

-john

 

[SDC]

Your rifle should have been made by Czechoslovenska Zbrojovka in 1938 for the Czech army; the ammo is actually Turkish, made in 1940, and it will be corrosive, so clean well after firing.

 

[Killermonkey21]

Sorry, I meant a factory, as in location. I know CZ produced it. Thank you for the info on the ammo, though.

 

[Jim Watson]

The old factory location was in Brno, Czechoslovakia.

Corporate history of the brands "Brno" and "CZ" is kind of tangled.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Mauser Manufacturing Codes

From the NRA's Magazine, The Rifleman. September 2006.

S Prefix with Letter Suffix

S/27.G....Erma, Erfurt...................................1935
S/42K.....Mauser, Oberndorf.........................1934
S/42G.....Mauser, Oberndorf.........................1935
S/42k.... .J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl.................1934
S/147/G..J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl.................1935
S/243G...Mauser, Borsigwalde.....................1935

S Prefix with Year of Manufacture

S/27.......Erma, Erfurt................................................1936 - 38
S/42.......Mauser, Oberndorf.....................................1936 - 38
S/147.....J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl..............................1936 - 38
S/237.....Berlin-Lubecker, Lubeck.............................1936 - 38
S/243.....Mauser, Borsigwalde..................................1936 - 38
BSW.......Berlin-Suhler Waffen und Fahrzeugwerke..1937 - 39

Numeric Codes

42......Mauser, Oberndorf.....................1938 - 40
147....J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl..............1938 - 40
27......Erma, Erfurt................................1938 - 40
237....Berlin-Lubecker, Lubeck.............1938 - 40
243....Mauser, Borsigwalde..................1938 - 40
337....Gustloff Werke, Weimar.............1939 - 40
660....Steyr Daimler-Puch, Steyr...........1939 - 40
945....Waffen Werke Brunn, Brno.........1940 - 41

Letter Codes

ar........Mauser, Borsigwalde........................1941 - 44
ax........Erma, Erfurt.....................................1940 - 41
bcd......Gustloff Werke, Weimar...................1941 - 45
bnz......Steyr Daimler-Puch, Steyr................1941 - 44
byf.......Mauser, Oberndorf...........................1941 - 45
ce........J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl....................1941 - 44
dot.......Waffen Werke Brunn, Brno..............1943 - 44
dou......Waffen Werke Brunn, Bystrica.........1942 - 45
duv......Berlin-Lubecker, Lubeck...................1941 - 44
svw45..Mauser, Oberndorf...........................1945
swp45..Waffen Werke Brunn, Brno..............1945

Double Codes (combined production efforts)

ax/ar.......Erma, Erfurt & Mauser, Borsigwalde............................1941
bcd/ar.....Gustloff Werke, Weimar & Mauser, Borsigwalde..........1942 - 43
bcd/bnz...Gustloff Werke, Weimar & Steyr Diamler-Puch, Steyr..1944

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I have more detailed information but have not yet received consent from the compiler to post it.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

More....Thanks to Gardner from Surplusrifleforum.com

S/42K S/42G S/42 42 byf svw svw MB Mauser Werke A.G., Oberndorf-am-Neckar. Lubeck, Germany. Lübeck, is the second largest city in Schleswig-Holstein, in northern Germany.

S/147/G S/147 147 ce J.P. Sauer und Sohn Gewehrfabrik, Suhl Thuringia . Suhl is a city in Thuringia, Germany. (Central Germany)

S/27.G S/27 27 Erfurter Maschinenfabrik (ERMA), Erfurt. Erfurt, is a city in central Germany. It is the capital of the state of Thuringia, and is a manufacturing centre.

S/243 G S/243 243 ar Mauser Werke A.G., Berlin-Borsigwalde Eichborndamm. Berlin is the capital city of Germany, located in eastern Germany.

S/237 237 duv Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik, Lübeck. Lubeck, Germany. Lübeck, is the second largest city in Schleswig-Holstein, in northern Germany.

BSW Berlin-Suhler-Waffen und. Fahrzeugwerke, Waffenfabrik Abteilung, Suhl. Suhl is a city in Thuringia, Germany. (Central Germany)

337 Berlin-Suhler-Waffen/Gustloff Werke, Weimar. Weimar is a city in central Germany. It is located in the Bundesland of Thuringia (German: Thüringen), north of the Thüringer Wald, east of Erfurt, and southwest of Halle and Leipzig.

600 bnz Steyr-Daimler-Puch A.G., Steyr. Steyr, Austria. Steyr is a town in the Austrian federal state of Upper Austria, located at the confluence of the rivers Steyr and Enns.

ax Feinmechanische Werke GmbH (ERMA), Erfurt. Erfurt, is a city in central Germany.It is the capital of the state of Thuringia, and is a manufacturing centre.


337 bcd Gustloff Werke,Weimar Weimar is a city in central Germany. It is located in the Bundesland of Thuringia (German: Thüringen), north of the Thüringer Wald, east of Erfurt, and southwest of Halle and Leipzig.

ax/ar ERMA/Mauser Werke A.G., Berlin-Borsigwald. Berlin is the capital city of Germany, located in eastern Germany.

bnz 42 bnz Steyr-Daimler-Puch A.G., Steyr / Concentration Camp Mauthausen. Mauthausen is a small town in Upper Austria.

dou Waffen Werke Brünn A.G., Bystrica. Possibly the city of Banská Bystrica ,Czechoslovakia.

bcd/ar Gustloff Werke/Mauser Werke A.G., Berlin-Borsigwalde. Berlin is the capital city of Germany, located in eastern Germany.

bnz Steyr-Daimler-Puch A.G., Steyr / Concentration Camp Mauthausen. Mauthausen is a small town in Upper Austria.

601 bcd/bnz Gustloff Werke/ Steyr-Daimler-Puch, Steyr Austria. Steyr is a town in the Austrian federal state of Upper Austria, located at the confluence of the rivers Steyr and Enns.

dot Waffen Werke Brünn A.G., Brünn Possibly the city of Banská Bystrica, Czechoslovakia.

 

[Jim K]

Hi, Jimmyray,

I didn't look at all of that but the first entry is clearly wrong. He places Lübeck correctly in northern Germany, but Oberndorf a/Neckar is at the opposite end of the country, about as far south as you can get and still be in Germany. It is in Würtemburg, below Stuttgart.

Jim