Want a bolt gun, talk me into or out of 7.62x39

[este]

Ok... before the ****storm of "THAT ROUND ISN'T ACCURATE" comes in.... Let me explain.

Requirements=
Bolt action, probably based on Rem 700
9-11" barrel with a very fast twist, like 1:7 or 1:8 (custom)
SWR Omega 30 Suppressor unless I go larger than 30 cal bullets
subsonic accuracy upto 1Moa

Preferred=
Chamber a round that can be loaded subsonic
Chamber a round that is also available commercially in supersonic
Acceptable supersonic accuracy under 2Moa

So what I want is a gun that can shoot commercial factory rounds (supersonic) in a pinch. But I can also load heavy subsonic.

That's why I want a 7.62x39. I can load it very heavy, but there is tons of ammo and brass available. I looked at tons of other rounds, but I haven't found anything else yet. I considered 7.62Nato/308 but they don't load well subsonic from what I've read due to the huge amount of room for powder to flop around in.

Ok.... Go.

 

[R.W.Dale]

As much as I like 7.62x39 I'm actually gonna reccomend 300fireball because for much more reliable feeding from the mag if you're dead set on on a rem700.


If you want ammo avalibility. I reccomend going with a cz527 7.62x39mm action that way you eliminate all kinds of feeding shenagians

 

[este]

I had actually planned on a custom aluminum stock. So feeding is kind of a separate issue.

The problem with 300Fireball is that there is no commercial round. I guess this is the direction I may eventually go. How much work to get the Rem to feed 7.62?

 

[R.W.Dale]

I had actually planned on a custom aluminum stock. So feeding is kind of a separate issue.

The problem with 300Fireball is that there is no commercial round. I guess this is the direction I may eventually go. How much work to get the Rem to feed 7.62?

Feeding needs to be one of your first priorities to sort out. It woul be frustrating in the extreme to build this gun only to have ammo pop out of the mag backwards when cycling the bolt which is what 7.62x39 imp does in my bench rifle when I attempt to load the mag.

 

[OzarkGuns]

Which rifle were you going to base it on?

RUGER KMINI30P 7.62X39 SS SYN

CZ 527 CARBINE 7.62X39 5 RD

RUGER HM77CR 7.62X39 BL

Or are you going all custom built?

Amy

 

[Cosmoline]

Forget the Rem 700. The CZ 527 is designed for intermediate length cartridges and is phenomenally well made. I believe the x39 one comes with a 1:9 twist already but you could sure put a custom barrel on it.

I experimented with the x39 and with handloads esp. using Lapua bullets it's certainly capable of MOA accuracy or even better out of that rifle. The inherent problems with the round come into play if you try to load too heavy, and then it's just a matter of powder capacity. 125's to 150's are fine though. And I'm sure you could work up a subsonic load using very heavy bullets. In fact I believe the Russians have done exactly that.

 

[Uncle Mike]

+1 with krochus and his 300 Fireball/300-221/300 Whisper idea...

 

[FSJeeper]

If you do a google search, there is lots of material regarding what you are looking for.

I own custom built rifles built by a heavily noted gun maker. When I decided to go with the 7.62 x 39 I considered having a custom rifle built for it but after trying out the CZ527, it was everyting I wanted at a fraction of the price of a custom rifle.

Excellent trigger, sub MOA with factory ammo, fun to handload for.

 

[Walkalong]

CZ Carbine in 7.62 X 39. It's on my want list.

 

[GunTech]

The 527 in 7.62x39 is a great little rifle. A couple of caveats: The stock has too much drop. It's designed for iron sights, and when you scope it, the scope sits too high. It ends up like a suitcase handle. The factory barrel has a bulb in the middle for the rear sight. It makes fitting the action into a standard 'American' CZ stock a little more challanging.

I have owned man CZ-527s - both custom and as from the factory. The real advantage of this micro-action is in building a small light gun. The 7.62x39 has a 0.3105 bore and will shoot either 0.308 or 0.311 bullets equally well, with the latter giving slightly better velocity.

Some people like the single set trigger. I don't. Drop in a RifleBasix trigger and you get a crisp pull every time without having to set the trigger.

You'll want to mod the bolt knob to allow lower mounting of the scope. It's a simple mod, but you can order a modded bolt from James Calhoon.

A couple of barrel makers cut barrels in the CZ-527 profile. If you get one of these, you can drop the barreled action into an 'American' stock with little or no fitting.

With all the (relatively) cheap 7.62x39 ammo available, it seems like a good choice.

 

[ar10]

CZ527 shoots like a dream, but I own one so I'm biased. I also reload all my own 7.62x39 ammo with .308 and .311 bullets, both shoot very well. (forgot to mention I shoot mostly with open sights, but I do have the "luggage" handle that I do use on occasion.

 

[este]

You guys make great points about the CZ. Dealer price is plenty acceptable if I don't have to do a custom barrel.

1:9 is a little slower than I'd like and would most likely stick me with 220gr max, but that's not the end of the world I suppose. It seems like a waste to remove it and do a custom barrel for 1:7, maybe not actually. I would have a new barrel to sell that probably won't sell at all.

I understand the issues with the 700 not feeding 7.62, I guess I wasn't thinking about it's internal magazine. Which is a large advantage in the CZ having a seemingly nice mag from factory.

I guess the only think I don't like about the CZ is it's uncommon to me and my smith.

 

[rangerruck]

cz 527, it is all you need to know. Set trigger like butta; shoots crap ammo , in to little bitty moa circles. And if , and that is a big if , You can find a version that came into America , labeled as a Parker Hale version, It will allready have a threaded bbl on it... but you didn't hear that from me.

 

[GunTech]

Out of the box, the 527 carbine is a great gun. And as the Russians say, perfect is the enemy of 'good enough'.

I'm picky and want my guns exactly the way I want them. I wish they made the 7.62x39 cz-527 with the American stock and no iron sights. But there's nothing wrong with the carbine as shipped.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Myself I'd give my left testicle for a "trainer" version of the 527 with tangent sights and a 26" bbl as on the rimfires

 

[este]

I fondled a cz this weekend. Ok, you guys win. They ARE nice.

For what I'm doing it's going to need a new stock. I'd REALLY REALLY like an all aluminum base I could modify but I may settle for wood or composite. If I can get the modeled up I'll cnc something out.

I'll probably cut the barrel down too, so no irons.

I like the detachable mag, even though it is limited to 5 rounds and they release a little goofy. I can get dealer price on one so I think it's a safe buy if I pick it up and decide it won't work for me.

I'm sold.

 

[R.W.Dale]

There are many aftermarket stock choices for the cz 527.

HS precision makes the varmint Kevlar stocks

 

[FFMedic]

Also check into the Remington 799 AKA Mini-Mauser.

FFMedic

 

[este]

The Rem 799 has no drop magazine but still only holds 5 rounds. And from what I understand the 799 also doesn't have the mauser type extractor, it's actually sako style.

Unless it shares the same receiver attachment points as the 700, or it trumps the CZ in some way I think I've written off the Rem.

If I'm going to do through all this work on a gun that has no common parts with anything else, I'll do it on the one I've handled.

 

[husker]

OK! So dont get one. Buy a Rem mohawk 600 in 308 there is on for sale on the FOR SALE PAGE.



Tegun has it up for sale. 9/24/09 was the day that he first posted it

Never mind then.

 

[R.W.Dale]

The OP is asking about a rifle in 7.62x39 not 308win


In my opinion the cz is the way to go because of its ready made magazine setup even if you decide to go as far as replacing the OE barrel and stock

 

[este]

In my opinion the cz is the way to go because of its ready made magazine setup even if you decide to go as far as replacing the OE barrel and stock

Hit the nail on the head.

The barrel being 1:9 will let me get relatively heavy subs out of it until I decide it needs a new barrel. 220 should be fine, but I bet even for 220 I'd prefer 1:8. I know people can get them to stabilize in slower, but I think with the faster spin they are reported to dig in a tad deeper into a target before tumbling (so I'm told).

Custom barrel doesn't scare me, although I'm having all sorts of trouble determining what the stock should be. What I think I want is the Savage 10 BAS stock body, and while I'm up to machining it, I don't know enough about all metal bolt gun stocks to do it well.

Does someone make such a thing for the aftermarket ?

 

[HardShell]

My wife has a bolt action (old Interarms Mark-X "Mini-Mauser") in x39 that she absolutely loves...




Hers is long-OOP so, doing it again today, I'd go with the CZ. I've heard & read great things about them.

 

[GunTech]

Is the Ruger Hawkeye compact in 7.62x39 shipping? Saw it on their web site. I know that there are a few older M77 in 30 Russian floating around, but don't have much experience with newer Ruger bolt guns.

 

[PT1911]

I have the 527 varmint in .223 with the HS precision kevlar stock.. it is a sweet shooter and I cannot imagine the x39 would be any different. the Stock is AWESOME!!!