WaPo: Private "police" expand jurisdictions

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Well, this is disturbing. :scrutiny:

Especially lines like: "Elsewhere -- including wealthy gated communities in South Florida and the Tri-Rail commuter trains between Miami and West Palm Beach -- private security patrols without police authority carry weapons, sometimes dress like SWAT teams and make citizen's arrests."

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"The "company police agencies," as businesses such as Capitol Special Police are called here, are lobbying the state legislature to broaden their jurisdiction, currently limited to the private property of those who hire them, to adjacent streets."

The pot with the frog keeps having the temperature turned up...

The Private Arm of the Law
Some Question the Granting of Police Power to Security Firms

By Amy Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 2, 2007; A04

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Kevin Watt crouched down to search the rusted Cadillac he had stopped for cruising the parking lot of a Raleigh apartment complex with a broken light. He pulled out two open Bud Light cans, an empty Corona bottle, rolling papers, a knife, a hammer, a stereo speaker, and a car radio with wires sprouting out.

"Who's this belong to, man?" Watt asked the six young Latino men he had frisked and lined up behind the car. Five were too young to drink. None had a driver's license. One had under his hooded sweat shirt the tattoo of a Hispanic gang across his back.

A gang initiation, Watt thought.

With the sleeve patch on his black shirt, the 9mm gun on his hip and the blue light on his patrol car, he looked like an ordinary police officer as he stopped the car on a Friday night last month. Watt works, though, for a business called Capitol Special Police. It is one of dozens of private security companies given police powers by the state of North Carolina -- and part of a pattern across the United States in which public safety is shifting into private hands.

Private firms with outright police powers have been proliferating in some places -- and trying to expand their terrain. The "company police agencies," as businesses such as Capitol Special Police are called here, are lobbying the state legislature to broaden their jurisdiction, currently limited to the private property of those who hire them, to adjacent streets. Elsewhere -- including wealthy gated communities in South Florida and the Tri-Rail commuter trains between Miami and West Palm Beach -- private security patrols without police authority carry weapons, sometimes dress like SWAT teams and make citizen's arrests.

Private security guards have outnumbered police officers since the 1980s, predating the heightened concern about security brought on by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. What is new is that police forces, including the Durham Police Department here in North Carolina's Research Triangle, are increasingly turning to private companies for help. Moreover, private-sector security is expanding into spheres -- complex criminal investigations and patrols of downtown districts and residential neighborhoods -- that used to be the province of law enforcement agencies alone.

The more than 1 million contract security officers, and an equal number of guards estimated to work directly for U.S. corporations, dwarf the nearly 700,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the United States. The enormous Wackenhut Corp. guards the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia and screens visitors to the Statue of Liberty.

"You can see the public police becoming like the public health system," said Thomas M. Seamon, a former deputy police commissioner for Philadelphia who is president of Hallcrest Systems Inc., a leading security consultant. "It's basically, the government provides a certain base level. If you want more than that, you pay for it yourself."

The trend is triggering debate over whether the privatization of public safety is wise. Some police and many security officials say communities benefit from the extra eyes and ears. Yet civil libertarians, academics, tenants rights organizations and even a trade group that represents the nation's large security firms say some private security officers are not adequately trained or regulated. Ten states in the South and West do not regulate them at all.

Some warn, too, that the constitutional safeguards that cover police questioning and searches do not apply in the private sector. In Boston, tenants groups have complained that "special police," hired by property managers to keep low-income apartment complexes orderly, were overstepping their bounds, arresting young men who lived there for trespassing.

In 2005, three of the private officers were charged with assault after they approached a man talking on a cellphone outside his front door. They asked for identification and, when he refused, followed him inside and beat him in front of his wife and three children.

Lisa Thurau-Gray, director of the Juvenile Justice Center at Suffolk University Law School in Boston, said private police "are focusing on the priority of their employer, rather than the priority of public safety and individual rights." But Boston police Sgt. Raymond Mosher, who oversees licensing of special police, says such instances are rare.

Private police officers "do some tremendously good things," Mosher said, recalling one who chased down a teenager running with a loaded gun.

In Durham, after shootings on city buses, the transit authority hired Wackenhut Corp. police to work in the main terminal in tandem with city police officers stationed on buses.

"There is a limit to the amount of law enforcement you can expect taxpayers to support," said Ron Hodge, Durham's deputy police chief, who said some of his requests for additional officers have been turned down in recent years. Although, as in most cities, some Durham police work privately while they are off-duty, Hodge said the demand for off-duty police outstrips the supply.

In one of the country's most ambitious collaborations, the Minneapolis Police Department three years ago started a project called "SafeZone" with private security officers downtown, estimated to outnumber the police there 13 to 1. Target Corp. and other local companies paid for a wireless video camera system in downtown office buildings that is shared with the police. The police department created a shared radio frequency. So far, the department has trained 600 security officers on elements of an arrest, how to write incident reports and how to testify in court.

When a bank was robbed in the fall, a police dispatcher broadcast the suspect's description over the radio. Within five minutes, a security officer spotted the man, bag of cash in hand, and helped arrest him.

Private police officers work across the Washington area, although their numbers have not been growing sharply. According to the D.C. police department, any private security employee who is armed must be licensed as a "special police" officer with arrest powers; the city has more than 4,000 of them, including at universities and some hospitals. Maryland and Virginia, which have different criteria, each have several hundred private police, according to law enforcement and regulatory officials.

In Virginia, the Wintergreen Resort has a private police department with 11 sworn officers. They include an investigator who last year helped solve a string of break-ins along the Appalachian Trail, identifying the burglar with images from the department's video camera when he drove out of the resort with a stolen car.

The Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services is also trying to foster closer ties between security companies without police powers and the police and sheriff's departments. The agency has begun training and certifying "Private Crime Prevention Practitioners" and soon plans to send security companies e-mails with unclassified homeland security threats and crime alerts.

Maryland has no similar collaboration, according to the Maryland State Police, which licenses security officers. The District is strengthening its supervision of security and private police, with new requirements for training and background checks having been adopted by the D.C. Council.

Some of the most sophisticated private security operations have expanded in part because of shrinking local and federal resources. The nation's largest bank, Bank of America, hired Chris Swecker as its corporate security executive last year when he retired as assistant director of the FBI. Even as identity theft and other fraud schemes have been booming, Swecker said, fewer federal investigators are devoted to solving such crimes, and many U.S. attorney's offices will not prosecute them unless their value reaches $100,000.

As a result, he said, federal officials now ask the bank's own investigators to do the work, including a three-year probe that helped police and the FBI piece together an identity-theft ring that defrauded 800 bank customers of $11 million.

In North Carolina, the state Department of Justice requires company police to go through the same basic training as public officers. They have full police powers on the property they are hired to protect.

Capitol Special Police's owner, Roy G. Taylor, was chief of three small nearby police departments and held state law enforcement jobs before starting the company in 2002. As Hispanic gangs were increasing, he said, "I saw a niche." The company has eight officers, some of whom are part time while working for area police departments.

They have used batons and pepper spray but have not fired a service weapon, Taylor said. Once, in an apartment complex where they worked in nearby Carrboro, Capt. Nicole Howard, Taylor's wife, dressed in plain clothes to attract a convicted rapist who had been peering in windows and stalking women. Then she arrested him for trespassing.

Today, charging $35 per hour, the firm has contracts with four apartment complexes, a bowling alley, two shopping centers and a pair of private nightclubs. A few weeks ago, two of the Taylors' employees, Capt. Kenny Mangum and Officer Matt Saylors, walked over to a car at the nightclub Black Tie to warn the men inside not to loiter in the parking lot. Catching a whiff of marijuana, they found seven rocks of crack cocaine in the ashtray and two handguns under the seat of the driver, who was a convicted felon. They called the Raleigh police to handle the arrest.

Because they are part of a private company, Taylor and his officers are mindful that customers are billed for the time they spend testifying in court.

"I try to make arrests only when absolutely necessary," said Watt, the officer who stopped the six men with the open beer cans. The company's marked patrol cars, he said, do not have radios to call for backup help or computers to check immediately for outstanding warrants or criminal records.

After satisfying himself that the six young men, lined up nervously and shivering in the cold night air, had no drugs, Watt let them go.

My take is that if someone that is not an appointed police officer or member of the military inhibits or assaults you on public property or anywhere else you have a right to be, they are a criminal, and you have the right to defend yourself by any means justified to deal with the level of threat. If you are unlawfully restrained, you should be able to use physical force AND sue them, and if threatened with deadly force, respond with deadly force. They are not the government-supervised and appointed officers of the peace, if they are doing this on PUBLIC streets. This is not American. At all.
 
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you give the military police powers? thats a surprise
i would think that they only have the power on the private property they protect so far
 
I think it is American. If I have the money I should be allowed to hire bodyguards and security officers. I do believe that they should be able to make citizens arrests and fall under the same standards as civilians do. If they are LEOs during the rest of the week they still retain their LEO status.

However I feel that they should not be granted the ability to carry a weapon just because of their employment. If they can carry I should be able to carry. Same thing with their guns. If they can have Class 3 weapons I should be allowed to have class 3 weapons.

If someone has the money they should be allowed to do what they wish as long as it does not hurt someone else. The Bill of Rights does not protect you from private entities. However if they ask you to leave and you do not they have the right to forcibly eject you, in my opinion. However if you are leaving and they do harm you that is a crime and that should get them arrested and charged.

Its a little late for me as I have been up all night. I apologize if I have not been clear enough.
 
Tecumseh, as the article mentioned, they want to move their jurisdiction from just the private buildings to the surrounding STREETS.

Now, I do have a problem with that, if there's private parties thinking they can police people on taxpayer-funded public streets. Especially if the private parties, with questionable training, are armed.
 
Manedwolf:

I misread that part. I can agree that it is unAmerican. I would not want private organizations policing public property. However let me state that I feel they should be allowed to on their own property.

How does everyone else feel about allowing these groups Class 3 weapons? I believe that the Blackwater guys who were protecting sites in New Orleans were carrying Class 3 weapons and were not being stripped of them.

As I said before if I was allowed to carry and own class 3 weapons I might not feel as outraged.
 
Company Police or 'private security' are rarely exempted from gun control laws.

At the Federal level in order to get machine guns they have to have an authorized govt contract for nuclear security and cannot import anything 'non sporting'.

In North Carolina company police can police adjacent streets to the area they are policing (like a road running next to a college campus).

It would certainly make it easier to apprehend violators who flee.
 
This is not just your ordinary "can of worms" , this has Big Hairy Nightcrawlers on the label.

These guys are mercenaries, pure and simple. They do not serve the public, they are hired guns.
Private security is fine for private property, but not for public streets.
 
Everybody already has all the powers that the police do. Only difference is that the police have permission to make mistakes.

There are lots of other jurisdictional questions I have though.

Can a private police pull a real police car over for speeding? Broken tailight?

How about weaving? No, not making rugs, but like they pull me over and tell me that I am weaving, crossing the line, like am I tired or anything? You know, light into the back seat, smell my breath, look into glassy eyes.

This is a band aid over a cancer.

If the WOsD got declared won, we could lay off 90 percent of our LE troops and go back to a normal life.

Like somebody says in their sig line, (I paraphrase) You don't need to know the answer if you can keep them asking the wrong question.
 
Some of these folks are hired by the govt for patrolling streets.
 
Some of these folks are hired by the govt for patrolling streets
In that case, I don't have a big problem with it. They are working for the govt just like the police are. Same rules, same potential for lawsuits. It seems like the police union would have a problem with it, as it's a form of outsourcing. Unless the private cops are in the same union.

The renta-cops hired by a shopping center are more of a problem. If they screw up, you can't sue the city. If it happens outside of the mall, you can't sue the mall. So nobody's responsible for their mis-conduct.
 
Private security forces are taking on more police powers everywhere in the US.

And I think it's a good thing.

First, they aren't government employees. We all know that the private sector is more efficient than .gov . These guys will be able to react faster to changes in our post 9/11 world.

Second, they will cost less. Why should we pay the bloated pensions and over-generous benefits that the grasping, corrupt police unions have extorted from taxpayers? A police officer out here makes over $40,000 a year plus all sorts of benefits. If business can do the job for less than half that and get the employees to pay for their own insurance and training I can't see why they shouldn't.

Third, police have all sorts of bureacratic regulations, mostly designed to protect the "rights" of scumbags. The private sector can eliminate these wasteful laws which get in the way of real police work.

Fourth, most of the private security firms are run by good conservatives, not antis. While the liberal elites who run the government use police like JBTs to take our guns private-sector cops would never do that.

Fifth, Even when they're not run by liberal government bureaucrats the police are run by the mob rule they call "democracy". If we can put it back into the hands of responsible individuals instead of the herd it's bound to be better and more efficient. There won't be any nonsense about "community policing" or "social services", just good, honest butt-kicking crime prevention.

Sixth, it's almost impossible to get rid of a cop. The old outdated laws don't let forward looking managers get rid of the dead wood or "employees" who find their cozy spot and stay there. We can't even get rid of closet liberals, underqualified women who got in on affirmative action quotas, hajjis, or rinos on the force. Right to Work laws for the police would give us the tools we need to create a police force that truly represented law and order.

Seventh where we do need "public" police with their excessive training and all the rest of the baggage we should keep them only for specialized jobs. If those overpaid, unaccountable civil servants are necessary they can be used sparingly for those jobs that the business community can't do at a profit. We'll always need a few, but we shouldn't pay for one single government official for a second longer than we need to.

Finally, if anyone is still reading along and nodding then brother you have a severe irony deficiency. Keep those hands where I can see them, step away slowly, and don't stop until you've reached Colombia, Niger or some other place with private death squads, lawlessness, no civil rights to speak of, the complete disenfranchisement of the people and intolerable corruption. That's where this sort of thing leads. We had it in this country a century or so ago with Pinkerton goon squads who could kill activists and union organizers with impunity. We're getting it again, and most folks don't even bother to look up from the TV to ask why sworn peace officers responsible to the people are being replaced by disposable private thugs.

:barf:
 
Mr. Tellner; 10% Poetry, 90% Truth

1877 -- US: 30 workers killed at the 'Battle of the Viaduct" by federal troops, Chicago.

"Battle of the Viaduct" — U.S. troops of the Second Militia Regiment & police attacked about 5,000 workers at Halsted & 16th Street in Chicago. "Turner Hall Raid" — Police raided the hall during a meeting of the German Furniture Workers, killed Mr. Tessman, wounded many others.

A judge later finds the police guilty of preventing the workers from exercizing their right to freedom of speech & assembly.

A grim reminder that the true function of police & an army is not issuing traffic tickets, playing officer friendly or defending the shores from terrorism, but keeping its own citizens in line & a nation's workers docile to the needs of the political & business powers that be.

http://www.library.uiuc.edu/irx/chronology.htm
 
North Carolina has some VERY interesting laws for private cops.

First, they are lumped into the definition of law enforcement officers.

Article 54B - Concealed Handgun Permit - § 14-415.10. Definitions.

(4) Qualified former sworn law enforcement officer. – An individual who retired from service as a law enforcement officer with a local, State, campus police, or company police agency in North Carolina
(5) Qualified sworn law enforcement officer. – A law enforcement officer employed by a local, State, campus police, or company police agency in North Carolina

They get the powers of law enforcement officers.

Chapter 74E - Company Police Act - § 74E-6. Oaths, powers, and authority of company police officers.

(c) All Company Police. – Company police officers, while in the performance of their duties of employment, have the same powers as municipal and county police officers to make arrests for both felonies and misdemeanors and to charge for infractions

Company police officers shall have, if duly authorized by the superior officer in charge, the authority to carry concealed weapons pursuant to and in conformity with G.S. 14-269(b)(5).

And they get exemptions from pesky laws (such as concealed carry restrictions) that apply to normal citizens.

Article 35 - Offenses Against the Public Peace - § 14-269. Carrying concealed weapons.

(a1) It shall be unlawful for any person willfully and intentionally to carry concealed about his person any pistol or gun except in the following circumstances:
(b) This prohibition shall not apply to the following persons:
(5) Sworn law-enforcement officers, when off duty

Another gem from North Carolina is the prohibition on owning machine guns, except worthy businesses.

Article 52A - Sale of Weapons in Certain Counties - § 14-409. Machine guns and other like weapons.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to manufacture, sell, give away, dispose of, use or possess machine guns, submachine guns, or other like weapons as defined by subsection (a) of this section: Provided, however, that this subsection shall not apply to the following:

Banks, merchants, and recognized business establishments for use in their respective places of business, who shall first apply to and receive from the sheriff of the county in which said business is located, a permit to possess the said weapons for the purpose of defending the said business;
 
How does everyone else feel about allowing these groups Class 3 weapons? I believe that the Blackwater guys who were protecting sites in New Orleans were carrying Class 3 weapons and were not being stripped of them.

Blackwater is located in North Carolina. Given North Carolina's laws, I guess that might mean that the guys Blackwater sent to New Orleans were "sworn law enforcement officers."
 
Well, I'll tell ya, if a rent-a-cop tries to get froggy with me on public property, someone's gonna need a hug. It's bad enough that I can't have interesting sex with my wife without breaking the law in half of the USA, smoke a smoke in a privately owned resteraunt even if the owner allows it, drink three beers and take a ride on my Harley without worrying about ending up in the Crossbar Motel, and...I could go on and on.
I'm not puttin' up with some power-trippin' wannbe on top of all the other official BS I have to put up with.
End of story...

Biker
 
My personal viewpoints on Biker, Sometimes I love the guy, sometimes I hate the guy.

I think he has my attitude spot on as far as renta cops go.
 
You fail to mention that in NC company police have to go through the exact same training as public LEOs.

The standards are the same and so are the powers.

Protecting people and property is bad, mmmmmkay?
 
i dont think id be happy to be pulled over by some privatized security force for a traffic violation or something of that nature. also im not aware of any law that makes it a crime to refuse to identify yourself to a private security guard?
 
Depends on the law.

If you are on the jurisdiction of the private security officer, why behave like a dick?
 
LAR-15...

Way I got it figured, rent-a-cops have no jurisdiction on public property, least in these parts. I thought that I made that clear. I made it clear to some Idaho State University security boys a couple of times.
~shrugs~

Biker
 
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