nucstl1
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Is it me or do the SHTF scenarios get a little carried away at times? Every other thread somebody's talking about my "My AR can reach out to 500yds", or "My AK can do this....." or My ..yada yada yada". The closest I have ever been to combat is being caught in the crossfire between a couple of gangbangers,(battlefield was about 100ft) so I am not a seasoned combat vet. My observations/questions are more from a logical perspective and knowing how people react in real SHTF scenarios. When the folks on THR get into a heated debate about the effective range or weapons and what they will do with them in scenario 1,2, or 3, it usually feels like I am in the office Monday morning after a weekend of NFL play-offs. Maybe I am a little off here, but here are some of my observations/questions:
Combat: What is the typical engagement range? Do we really have situations in combat where we have sqauds, platoons, or companies engaging in protracted gun battles at 3-600yds without support? I know this varies on the specific situation. Air support? Armor? ARTY support or any form of indirect support? A friend who served in F-Town with the 3/4, Stated that when they took fire, they returned fire with Extreme Prejudice. He also said anything over a couple of blocks qualified for Armor, Air, or ARTY support....no questions. (It was took risky to give chase and moving through the rubble was dangerous). My uncle who served in Vietnam said he rarely saw the enemy, let alone at 500 yards, and most combat was quick bursts at short ranges. I am not personally an authority on gunfights, so feel free to unleash if have the facts.
SHTF: This is the real meat behind the thread title, because there are so many people talking about reaching out to 600yds in a SHTF situation. Seriously folks, I hope that when the SHTF happens the only weapon I need is my 590 with some birdshot. I have the AR, AK, FAL, M1A, and the Garand in the rifle battery, but I am pretty sure I would use none of them to reach out to 6,5,4,3, or even 200yds. Carrying any of the above would attrract a lot of attention, and engaging BGs (if you can even confirm they are BGs) at those ranges will only attract more attention to your location. In most cases 100yds is the red zone....50yds is the white zone. In my current location, if they are inside 50yds, they have crossed that line. If they they are beyond 100yds, they are no immediate threat. If I need to go from point A to point B during a SHTF situation, I will avoid contact at all cost, and try to attract as little attention as possible. Marching down the street with an M1A and 400rds, engaging unknowns at 400 yds, is not part of a realistic plan. I am sure I will get flamed on this one as well, but after reading through some of these posts, I would be scared to leave the house if any of you guys were in my neighborhood.
Combat: What is the typical engagement range? Do we really have situations in combat where we have sqauds, platoons, or companies engaging in protracted gun battles at 3-600yds without support? I know this varies on the specific situation. Air support? Armor? ARTY support or any form of indirect support? A friend who served in F-Town with the 3/4, Stated that when they took fire, they returned fire with Extreme Prejudice. He also said anything over a couple of blocks qualified for Armor, Air, or ARTY support....no questions. (It was took risky to give chase and moving through the rubble was dangerous). My uncle who served in Vietnam said he rarely saw the enemy, let alone at 500 yards, and most combat was quick bursts at short ranges. I am not personally an authority on gunfights, so feel free to unleash if have the facts.
SHTF: This is the real meat behind the thread title, because there are so many people talking about reaching out to 600yds in a SHTF situation. Seriously folks, I hope that when the SHTF happens the only weapon I need is my 590 with some birdshot. I have the AR, AK, FAL, M1A, and the Garand in the rifle battery, but I am pretty sure I would use none of them to reach out to 6,5,4,3, or even 200yds. Carrying any of the above would attrract a lot of attention, and engaging BGs (if you can even confirm they are BGs) at those ranges will only attract more attention to your location. In most cases 100yds is the red zone....50yds is the white zone. In my current location, if they are inside 50yds, they have crossed that line. If they they are beyond 100yds, they are no immediate threat. If I need to go from point A to point B during a SHTF situation, I will avoid contact at all cost, and try to attract as little attention as possible. Marching down the street with an M1A and 400rds, engaging unknowns at 400 yds, is not part of a realistic plan. I am sure I will get flamed on this one as well, but after reading through some of these posts, I would be scared to leave the house if any of you guys were in my neighborhood.