Welcome to the new "Normal" another ammo thread

[X-Rap]

Inflation is a very real and normal economic consequense to rampant printing of money and we are soon to pay that cost.
In many ways we already are, food has risen and the price of an auto or truck now easily cracks 50k on many models. Energy prices generally have gone up. Housing is down if you are buying but rent generally has increased.
The next step will be increases in credit rates so I would not buy guns or ammo on a card nor anything else for that matter.

 

[mastiffhound]

It makes me sick that I can't find .22LR. I'm so tired of looking store to store. I will not pay the hazmat fee for shipping powder, primers, or ammo. It's to the point that I'm wondering if the big corporation shipping companies are causing the shortage? Want to know what I've been buying instead of ammo? Upgrade parts for my firearms. Stocks, barrels, scopes, extra bolts and carriers, grips, BUIS, receivers, firearm cleaning supplies, gun oil, a new safe, scope rings, Call of Duty Black Ops 2 map packs (Damn my nephew for getting me hooked!), and big budget action flicks!

I'm just too old and too tired of standing in line. Now I see why my very old english mastiff won't get up for 1 potato chip, but she will get up for 2. Begging for scraps sucks, if you have to beg you might as well wait till it's worth your physical exertion.

 

[JohnKSa]

I just checked ammotogo.com, and sgammo.com, both are wiped clean of 9mm...

No they're not.

SGAMMO.com has over 120,000 rounds of 9mm in stock.

Ammunition to go has the following in stock-- 5 different FMJ loadings, 13 JHP loadings, 2 SP loadings, 3 frangible loadings and even 6 types of tracers/incendiaries.

Why are you trying to convince people that things are worse than they really are?

 

[Pilot]

Inflation is a very real and normal economic consequense to rampant printing of money and we are soon to pay that cost.
In many ways we already are, food has risen and the price of an auto or truck now easily cracks 50k on many models. Energy prices generally have gone up. Housing is down if you are buying but rent generally has increased.
The next step will be increases in credit rates so I would not buy guns or ammo on a card nor anything else for that matter.

I am surprised more people aren't talking about this. I too am waiting for the other shoe to drop WRT inflation although as you say we are already seeing it in food, energy, and commodities.

Ammo contains commodities that have increased in price. I think the higher ammo prices are due largely to both inflation, and demand.

 

[PabloJ]

I am surprised more people aren't talking about this. I too am waiting for the other shoe to drop WRT inflation although as you say we are already seeing it in food, energy, and commodities.

Ammo contains commodities that have increased in price. I think the higher ammo prices are due largely to both inflation, and demand.

It's simple concept to grasp why should someone sell something for $20 when stupid people will pay $40 for it.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I remember when these were around $12 at Walmart.

And I remember when Walmart had 9mm WWB for $9.95 and .45acp for 19.95. (Yes, the 100 round boxes). Not all that long ago, in fact, just a few years before I retired (which was in 2005).

In fact, I still have several boxes in a couple ammo cans that I haven't touched.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I see Walmart has now started putting difficult to remove stickers on their ammo.

If this product is offered for sale at a location other than Walmart, please call 1-800-WALMART.

Glad to see it - maybe it will slow down the flippers in our area.
There is way too much 22 Walmart ammo popping up in local flea markets @ $75 / box.

Personally, if I saw boxes of ammo being re-sold which had such a sticker on it, I wouldn't be inclined to call Walmart at all. It's none of their frickin' business what the customer does with the product after he buys it from them because it's his private property and no longer their merchandise!

However, I WOULD probably laugh at the guy trying to re-sell that ammunition to me. Heck, I already DO laugh at such people!


On the subject of waiting outside Walmart (or any other store) in the wee hours of the morning to buy ammunition, I've got better things to do than this. Time is money, and my time is quite valuable at a double cheeseburger a minute rate. I can make a better deal putting earned money away and either buying what I need at slightly higher prices OR biding my time waiting for market availability to recover.

 

[anothernewb]

I have noticed a price increase at the local WW on several kinds of ammo. perhaps the most dramatic is the 22 prices. fed 550 packs are up over $22 and automatch is right aroud $19 a box. that's a significant increase in my book. I can still afford it, but I guess it was inevitable given the dramatic long lived shortages. Supply and demand. However, on the bright side, ammo is actually sitting on the shelves now.

 

[Direwolf131]

THe only ammo on GB I've ever paid attention to is .22LR and that ammo seems to be selling for less than it was, and more and more of it with high starting bids is going unsold. IMO the activity on GB proves that the ammo situation is starting to ease. Certainly not saying the "panic" is over, but the worst seems to have passed.


Try checking the ammunition tracking sites like gunbot.net and you will find that 9mm ammo is widely available online. Individual vendors are still not able to keep large amounts in stock, but you can find it somewhere. I've been able to buy several hundred rounds of 124gr 9mm FMJ in the last month online for $16-17/50. Pricier JHP self defence rounds are also getting easier to find.


Impossible as long as the cost to manufacture does not increase dramatically. If supply did remain as tight and prices as high as they currently are, someone would eventually add new production capacity, causing availability to increase and retail price to decrease. The only reason no one has done that so far is that the ammo manufacturers remain convinced this is still just a temporary spike in the market, not a permanent increase in demand. I don't doubt that onces price finally do stabalize again, they will be moderatly higher than last year, but they will certainly not stay at the current "third party/GB/gun show" levels forever.

9mm is not widely available, and the junk you might find on gunbot is often the cheapest, most unreliable, or dirtiest of brands. Did you even take the time to read the comments? If you had, you'd have discovered two things, prices are static, and if you don't camp out on the retail sites as it becomes available you're SOL in two minutes or less!

 

[JohnKSa]

9mm is not widely available...

It's much more widely available than you apparently want us to believe it is.

As I stated in my last post (which you conveniently ignored) the two sites you claimed "are wiped clean of 9mm" actually have plenty of it in stock. And they've had it in stock for some time in spite of your claim that you have to camp out or you'll miss it in 2 minutes or less.

So again, I ask you. Why are you trying to convince people that things are worse than they really are?

 

[justice06rr]

On the subject of waiting outside Walmart (or any other store) in the wee hours of the morning to buy ammunition, I've got better things to do than this. Time is money, and my time is quite valuable at a double cheeseburger a minute rate. I can make a better deal putting earned money away and either buying what I need at slightly higher prices OR biding my time waiting for market availability to recover.

Agreed x10000.

Another thing I've noticed is that some Walmarts have changed the restocking times for ammo to accomodate everyone. One store in my area has a sign saying that ammo is stocked at 8pm M-W-F. At least now anyone can try to go get ammo without having to wait wee hours of the morning.

I have noticed a price increase at the local WW on several kinds of ammo. perhaps the most dramatic is the 22 prices. fed 550 packs are up over $22 and automatch is right aroud $19 a box. that's a significant increase in my book. I can still afford it, but I guess it was inevitable given the dramatic long lived shortages. Supply and demand. However, on the bright side, ammo is actually sitting on the shelves now.

The increase in price is expected esp with calibers that are high demand. unfortunately I have not seen a single box of 22lr in my area since January. Must be because of all those guys waiting at 4am to buy anything that gets restocked...

 

[X-Rap]

I feel blessed in not having to wait the few times I have gone to the ammo line at the local WalMart. My experience has been better than waiting for a prescription by far. A wait at the deli counter would be a better comparison.

 

[CZ223]

Well, I have waited for the doors to open at Wal-Mart

I have have waited for as much as an hour at 5:00 a.m. till it opened at 6:00 a.m. and I have been doing it for months. In fact, at on time I would hit 3 stores before I started work. The only thing I regret about it is the days they didn't have anything. I am self employed and was working on a project that I couldn't start before 8:30 and it is a 40 minute drive from my house. I waited at my local store till it opened and hit two others before 8:30. There were days that I spent $500 on ammo before I lifted a finger at my regular job. I sold much of it at twice to three times what I paid for it, some a little less. Now that I am working 10-12 hour days at my regular job I am only able to hit one store but I am there most every morning at 5-5:30. along with 3-4 other regulars. I have sold a lot of ammo to a couple gun shops that couldn't get it through their distributors and still can't. Mock those of who stand in line if you will but at least I am not waiting to hand out $100 for a concert ticket or camping out to see the next Harry potter movie.

 

[jcwit]

You folks actually need to wait for Wal-Mart to open? Every Wal-Mart here in No. Indiana & Southern Michigan are open 24 hours a day, 364 days a year.

But then they have no ammo either.

 

[berettaprofessor]

I saw loads of PMC 9mm in the KC Cabelas today.....$29.99 /box of $50

Nobody was buying and good for them!

 

[Delford]

PMC in WM here was $18.94 for 9mm & .45acp several months ago (50 rounds). They had 200 boxes. I haven't found 100 box WWB anyplace other than Dick's and they've always been $15 over WM at $50. WM has Federal target load 12ga for $25.97 and I found Remington's target load at Dick's for $6.49 for 25 so if you shop and are patient you can get reasonable, if not great, deals.

 

[MBaneACP]

Both Remington and Armscor are building new ammo manufacturing facilities in the U.S., and I've seen a general loosening across the board. Yes, it is the new normal. I walked into the Sportsmen's Warehouse in Bend OR before the CT Midnight 3-Gun this week and picked up a couple of boxes of Hornady 5.56 Match just like in the good old days. I paid a few bucks more, but not so much so that I broke down and wept. I was glad to see it, too, since I was using up the last of my Hornady Steel Match 55-grainers in the match.

I tend to see the .22 LR situation as separate from the rest of the ammo crisis. I think there has been a pretty profound change in the way people buy and utilize .22s...a brick is the "new standard" purchase, as opposed to a 50-round box. Secondly, .22 shooting is SOARING (and would be soaring even higher if the ammo was available), thanks to the huge success of programs like Appleseed and Ruger Rimfire, the proliferation of AR-15 .22s, reliable and accurate conversion kits for centerfire pistols and "trick" .22 pistols like those from Tac-Sol and Volquartsen, and the new people coming into the culture who see the utility (and fun) of training with .22s.

I have pretty substantial stores of ammo, mostly ball, to run the shows — which chew through ammo at a staggering rate! — and deals with both Hornady and Armscor, but I have to tiptoe around .22 LR, and I'll buy it when I can lay my hands on it.

Michael B

 

[Davek1977]

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/9mm-9x19

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/pistol-ammo-9mm

Looks like at the time I posted this, SGA had roughly 95,000 rounds of 9mm for sale, and ammotogo wasn't running low on 9mm ammo either!!! In fact, they had both HP's and FMJ rounds

So, Direwolf, what were you saying about SGA....or anyone else....not having any 9mm ammo? Am I the only one who finds it slightly suspect that someone selling ammo over the internet is downplaying the availability of 9mm from other sources, and even when called out, repeats this mistruth? Some ammo is indeed hard to find. I haven't seen 22 LR available locally for quite some time. That said, I haven't had any great difficulty in finding any other amm I've wanted/needed

 

[Direwolf131]

No they're not.

SGAMMO.com has over 120,000 rounds of 9mm in stock.

Ammunition to go has the following in stock-- 5 different FMJ loadings, 13 JHP loadings, 2 SP loadings, 3 frangible loadings and even 6 types of tracers/incendiaries.

Why are you trying to convince people that things are worse than they really are?

Absolutely, positively, dead wrong! http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/9mm-9x19

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/9mm-hollow-point

Ammotogo.com has but a tiny handful of extremely low end ammo on hand, most of it steel cased.

 

[Davek1977]

following your link, there are exactly 93100 rounds of Horandy 9mm at SGA, and Ammoto go has a VARIETY of HP ammo....how are you failing to see these "in stock" ?

 

[JohnKSa]

Absolutely, positively, dead wrong!

What in the world are you talking about?

The inventories I posted were perfectly accurate at the time I posted them (which was also the time you were claiming they were "wiped clean" of 9mm ammunition. Even though SGAMMO has sold their stock down since my post, they still have a lot in stock.

Neither website is wiped clean of 9mm. In fact, not only are they not "wiped clean", they both have significant quantities in stock. Both your links point to web pages on the sites that show in stock ammunition.

 

[PedalBiker]

I just watched a whole bunch of .22LR ammo auctions expire on Gunbroker with no sale.

Folks are trying to get $0.12 or more and it's expiring. The no reserve auctions are going through at around 0.07 to 0.09 per round.


I don't think this is a new normal. People used to buy .22LR by the brick when I was young, so that's not any different.

 

[Agsalaska]

The late or in some cases non reaction by the big box retailers to the increase in demand is the primary contributor now. They keep their prices artificially low and it all sells the second it hits the floor. You then have people flipping it on the secondary market to people who could not find it but need it. As much as some of you want to believe that the shortage is caused by the flippers, thats not how it works. They are allowed to exist only because the retailers are acting as wholesale distributors. The final problem is a large gap in sale prices. In other words the lowest priced sale and the highest price sale are far enough apart that an incentive is created to keep feeding it. If the big box retailers would raise their prices to where demand dictates the incentive would disappear bringing the lowest sale price up and the highest sale price down. The average sale price would more or less stay the same. My guess is, and this is mostly off observation, that we should see between a 50-75% increase in average prices against prior year. But this will most definitely continue as long as the big boxes are underpriced.

 

[Davek1977]

JohnKSA, the onlyn thing I can possibly think of is that Direwolf has cookies stored that are somehow bringing up pages that are no longer current. Otherwise, I don't see how he can continue to make the claims he is making, while providing links to exactly what we've said here....that there is ammo at both sites, in significant quantities....and no, Direwolf, its NOT all "the cheapest, most unreliable, or dirtiest of brands".....its all from reputable manufacturers.