Well, it finally happened (Saiga import ban)

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As of last year IZHMASH no longer exists.
The sanctions are against the Kalashnikov Concern.
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They are considered the same thing, they sanctioned KALASHNIKOV CONCERN and any of its previous monikers. From the EO:

KALASHNIKOV CONCERN (a.k.a. CONCERN KALASHNIKOV; a.k.a. IZHEVSKIY MASHINOSTROITEL'NYI ZAVOD OAO; f.k.a. IZHMASH R&D CENTER; f.k.a. JSC NPO IZHMASH; f.k.a. NPO IZHMASH OAO; a.k.a. OJSC CONCERN KALASHNIKOV; f.k.a. OJSC IZHMASH; f.k.a. SCIENTIFIC PRODUCTION ASSOCIATION IZHMASH JOINT STOCK COMPANY), 3, Derjabin Pr., Izhevsk, Udmurt Republic 426006, Russia; Registration ID 1111832003018 [UKRAINE2].
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I have a bad feeling that this is going to stretch a lot farther than we think.
 
Funny how Saigas are singled out but the vodka still flows. I guarantee sanctioning their alcohol would provide much more financial damage to them than banning a few million dollars worth of rifles...
 
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Take our Vodka away and I still wouldnt drink Gin.:D

The perfect Martini:

1. Pour Gin, Vermouth and Olives into the trash where they belong.

2. Drink Whisky.

:D:D:D:D
 
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Funny how Saigas are singled out but the vodka still flows.
The Sanctions are being placed on individuals and entities that facilitate or profit from the invasion and destabilization of the Ukraine.

I don't think the Stolichnaya folks qualify.
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Perhaps if they did qualify, along with most other Russian exports, we could stop this man before he is one border away from a NATO country.
 
We aren't really causing much negative economic impact by banning the importation of Nagants/Saigas/etc. They would be hurting if said vodka/Popav/etc. was even restricted (probably their number 1 export to the USA). Go to your local box store and look for "Made in Russia" tags outside of the sporting goods or the liquor section.

I don't believe for a second that the current set of sanctions wasn't politically motivated by "ban scary black gun" liberals.
 
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AK type rifles are made in many parts of the world, I doubt this will serve obama's desired effect. Putin has said that negotiating with obama, is "like playing chess with a pigeon, he kicks over the pieces..... craps all over the board.... then struts around like he won the game"
I suspect that this will serve to illustrate the wisdom, of that metaphor.
On that note, I think I will go buy a bottle of Russian Vodka, and celebrate this brilliant move in foreign relations. Thanks for pointing out the obvious Manta!
STW
 
Sun Tzu warrior said:
AK type rifles are made in many parts of the world, I doubt this will serve obama's desired effect. Putin has said that negotiating with obama, is "like playing chess with a pigeon, he kicks over the pieces..... craps all over the board.... then struts around like he won the game"
I suspect that this will serve to illustrate the wisdom, of that metaphor.
On that note, I think I will go buy a bottle of Russian Vodka, and celebrate this brilliant move in foreign relations. Thanks for pointing out the obvious Manta!
STW
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Interesting how you put stock in something said by such a hideous and duplicitous individual... :rolleyes:

I also find it interesting that you type the current President of the United States' name (last name only mind you) in all non-capital letters. :rolleyes: Then again maybe you did that for the same reason you felt "vodka" needs to be capitalized when used in "Russian Vodka." ;)
 
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so my question is?? is the bakial's banned as I wanted a singleshot 410 the model mp-18 in which I have the 12 gauge now but wanted the bakial mp-18 in 410? so is this banned? plus is 7.62x54r ammo banned as well?? thanks!
 
I haven't seen anything regarding ammo bans yet as some earlier post also stated however it's highly likely as more sanctions continue to be levied on both governments.
 
Sam, how much of that figure is actually affected by the sanctions? Your tables don't really clarify, they just show figures. I have seen the sanction list and most of the stock names listed don't contain names of companies found at your local "box store". The sanctions are a joke, and only give the current administration an opportunity to turn up the heat a little on the frying pan in which we are all simmering in.

To clarify my view: I am not in favor of letting Putin do whatever he wants, but by bringing up vodka, I was merely trying to make a point that there are better ways to hit their pockets other than banning Saigas. And sorry....you haven't convinced me that in banning russian rifles, it's not politically motivated by the prez.
 
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Interesting how you put stock in something said by such a hideous and duplicitous individual... :rolleyes:

I also find it interesting that you type the current President of the United States' name (last name only mind you) in all non-capital letters. :rolleyes: Then again maybe you did that for the same reason you felt "vodka" needs to be capitalized when used in "Russian Vodka." ;)
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While we do not need Russian imports the sanctions will not work and are pretty much pointless. It's good thing there is Chopin vodka for those who really know what best vodka tastes like. When one compares Russian ammo to stuff from Czech Republic, Serbia, Korea the Russian stuff is pretty horrible. After being shot is stinks up indoor range like a tar pit sauna!:barf:
 
Manta77 said:
banning russian rifles
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Kalashnikov Concern isn't just rifles. It is an integral part of the state controlled military industrial complex. Pull back a bit, you are missing the forest for the trees.



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I have seen the sanction list and most of the stock names listed don't contain names of companies found at your local "box store"
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There is more to the world of business than retail goods. The sanctions prevent American companties from dealing with Russian companies overseas.

So, for instance, if an Entity in Latvia or Iraq or some place wants to purchase a $5,000,000 Avia helicopter package their American owned bank tells them to go take a hike.
 
Russia doesn't need us, and they know it. They supply enough energy to the Europeans to where they don't need loans (from us or any other country) and will finance countries whom they back. Putin has Europe feeding off of the Russian energy umbilical cord and they can turn the valve off any time they want....And Europe knows this. Our sanctions mean NOTHING to them. Europe may talk, but they aren't going to bite the hand that feeds. Until Europe can sever the cord, they will continue to feed the machine.....Even if we eventually do ban Popov!
 
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I concur with Sam Cade. I will happily fulfill my AK needs through Yugoslavia, Romania, Serbia, Poland, etc. and not support an entity whose controlling stake's best interest is to remove the USA from being the world's premier super power.

I know Troy Industries had received backlash during the banic for not holding true to the 2A ideals - yet we support the KC?
 
Kynoch said:
Interesting how you put stock in something said by such a hideous and duplicitous individual... :rolleyes:

I also find it interesting that you type the current President of the United States' name (last name only mind you) in all non-capital letters. :rolleyes:
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Then again, there is the widely-held view that the latter is defined by the former.
 
Manta, if we can ever end our ban on exporting natural gas, we can offset that advantage pretty quick, and I do believe there has been some discussion/action towards that end.

I have one question - given this is a politically motivated order, not to ban firearms, but to forbid US citizens from doing business with a foreign business entity as a political act - who's next? Don't tell me how righteous this order is because of the current crisis, I get that. But consider how every law can/has been twisted far out of shape to wildly different ends...what is the next crisis and who do we no longer do business with per presidential whim?
I do wish I'd snagged one of those Saiga shotguns when they first came in - they looked like fun, and were dirt cheap. Oh well.
 
Armoredman, this may raise a few hairs on the back of your neck (in addition to the energy they are supplying).

www.forbes.com/sites/kitconews/2014/07/18/worlds-largest-silver-producing-countries-russia/

No telling how much gold they are mining and selling on the market.

I'm sure they are using this money to buy horses and carriages (and maybe a little pixie dust).

To be honest, I don't know who's next, however I AM glad I stocked up while the gettin was good on Saigas!
 
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