Well, it finally happened (Saiga import ban)

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Somebody mentioned the ban on Norinco AK's and its permanence. Its my understanding they were sanctioned for selling missiles to Iran so its a fairly different situation.
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...and Russia GAVE missiles to separatists who then used them to murder 300 innocent civilians in an airliner.

I don't see this ban going away anytime soon. In all likelihood it will be as permanent as the Norinco ban.
 
MAKster said:
I read that 40 percent of Kalashnikov Concern sales are to the U.S. consumer market.
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40% of small arms sales are to the US. 70% of their small arms production is intended for civilian consumption.

Remember, the Kalashnikov Concern makes much more than small arms.



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They will likely go bankrupt if they cannot sell Saigas to Americans..
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It is a state owned/controlled industry so "bankruptcy" doesn't mean much.
 
js8588: Thanks for the easy link. Just signed it and confirmed via e-mail.

When the tv networks began frequent broadcasts of videos with Russians in the Crimea last March, it quickly became very difficult to find Saiga 5.45 rifles.
I missed out by about six hours at Classicarms in NC. Ammo was still about .17/rd.

At least 7.62x39 remains at .21-.22 rd., for the moment if not longer.
 
I think starting a petition that says Obama is a meanie because he won't let us buy AKs from Putin the dictator is really tone deaf. It makes us look as bad as the people who are carrying rifles into Starbucks.
 
Whitehouse petitions are a joke. They just close down and ignore the ones El Jefe disagrees with.

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I think starting a petition that says Obama is a meanie because he won't let us buy AKs from Putin the dictator is really tone deaf. It makes us look as bad as the people who are carrying rifles into Starbucks.
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Just because you think it is a good thing to do doesn't mean the way it was done was a good thing. Even the Dems in Congress should be outraged at some of the unilateral moves Obama has made. E.g claiming he can decide when Congress is in session and trying to make appointments without approval.

Caesar may have been the most popular man among the people...but he was still a dictator.

I agree with Thomas Jefferson here

Another incident took place on the same occasion, which will further delineate Mr. Hamilton's political principles. The room being hung around with a collection of the portraits of remarkable men, among them were those of Bacon, Newton and Locke, Hamilton asked me who they were. I told him they were my trinity of the three greatest men the world had ever produced, naming them. He paused for some time: "the greatest man," said he, "that ever lived, was Julius Caesar." Mr. Adams was honest as a politician, as well as a man; Hamilton honest as a man, but, as a politician, believing in the necessity of either force or corruption to govern men.
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush January 16, 1811
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This latest Executive order IMO is a Caesarian or Hamiltonian type move.
 
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Fishbed77 said:
...and Russia GAVE missiles to separatists who then used them to murder 300 innocent civilians in an airliner.

I don't see this ban going away anytime soon. In all likelihood it will be as permanent as the Norinco ban.
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Just like when a US navy ship killed the same amount of people on an Iranian airliner with a missile . There was no call for sanctions on the US hmmmmm
 
When it comes to the KC company, has any footwork been done to determine which ammo manufacturers KC is the parent company of, or is all of this a good old-fashioned panic? Would be nice to know, particularly if the information can be from a cited source.

Tula, I'd assume, is owned by KC, but there are several Ruskie manufacturing plants producing ammo such as Barnaul, Ulyvanosk, etc.
 
Say goodbye to Mosin Nagants! They were made by companies that Kalashnikov Concern now owns and has been importing through Molot. Why no one has brought this up yet is beyond me, its not just AK's that are banned from importation.
 
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Say goodbye to Mosin Nagants! They were made by companies that Kalashnikov Concern now owns and has been importing through Molot. Why no one has brought this up yet is beyond me, its not just AK's that are banned from importation.
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My Mosin Nagant was made by Remington Arms in Ilion, NY.
 
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Tula, I'd assume, is owned by KC.
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Nope.

The Russian Federation government controls the defense industry (including JSC Tula Arms Plant) through a giant state owned corporation, ROSTEC.

ROSTEC in turn owns controlling interests in everything (and I mean everything) else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostec#Machine_Engineering_Technologies

ROSTEC itself is controlled by former KGB man, Putin Homeslice and persona non grata in the US, Sergey Chemezov.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Chemezov
 
So aside from the Tula ammo works, there is no trackable paper trail to the rest of the Russian ammo manufacturers as it pertains to this sanction? I've probably fired all of 100 rounds of Tula manufactured ammo in the past several years. The lion's share of the Russian ammo that I've bought and fired has come from Vympel, Ulyvanosk and Barnaul. Of course, the manufacturers are not always transparent on who their parent companies are, which only muddies up these waters.

In other words, aside from Tula, is any other Russian ammo currently falling under the blanket of this sanction? If so, can any of this info be substantiated with cited sources? After all, if we're going to panic, it should be on reasonable grounds.
 
I suspect not since these haven't been made in many years. LGS has bunch of recently imported old stock SKS rifles for sale. These old stock used rifles were stored in brownish goo and were recently imported from I'm guessing China or Vietnam. Most are Chinese manufacture with occasional Tula gun in the bunch.
 
Last map I saw has Russia in control of 20% or so of Ukraine already. Reckon Putin is going to stop now? I don't think so. While I am sure our POTUS enjoys the ability to harm the interests of RKBA folks like us, this type of sanction is one of the few EO's that actually serves a proper roll.

The only issue with our sanctions thus far are that they do not go anywhere NEAR FAR ENOUGH. We should be leading the charge, regardless the economic damage to our own interests, to stop the re-unification of the soviet block. Banking, oil, gas, credit markets, all of it. This tepid, selective "do no harm" (except to gun owners) crap is not going to cut it.

We are Americans first, folks. How many millions have lost their lives against the eastern block over the last 70 years? We cannot allow that to happen again. Too much blood was spilled to break it up in the first place.
 
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It doesn't matter who manufactured the Mosin 70 years ago. What matters is who the importer is buying them from. If they are coming from Molot I believe they would be banned from importation. But if they have been sitting in some warehouse in Albania for the past 50 years they would be ok to import.
 
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