What 10MM would you choose.

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Trey Veston said:
When you're talking about a firearm that will be carried in the woods as a back-up firearm for defense against critters and possibly people, that will be subjected to abuse, mud, debris, moisture, and God knows what else then forget anything in the 1911.

Seriously. The fact that so many people are recommending 10mm 1911s proves my theory that most posters here don't actually venture more than 50yds off the gravel roads from their King Ranch pickups.

I live on the edge of the wilderness. I am in the woods at least once a month where there are wolves, bears, ill-tempered elk, cougars, and the occasional tweaker.

There is no cell service where I go. If I get lost, there is no walking in any direction for a couple of miles and hitting a road. I grew up exploring the woods and hunting and fishing where choosing the wrong equipment could be fatal.

The 1911 is the wrong equipment.

I took this pic last month from where I consider to be my backyard. I am 10 miles from the nearest paved road, no cell service, 15 miles from a town, yet I don't consider it to be true wilderness...

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This is on a moose hunt a year or so ago. Nearest town was 20 miles to the West, it was grizzly country, wolves everywhere, and if you start walking East, you won't hit a town for 100 miles.

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What do most Real Men who carry sidearms in Alaska and Montana and Idaho carry? Either a large bore stainless revolver or single-action or a Glock in 10mm. Period. You will rarely see anything else being carried where actual lives depend on firearm choice rather than internet chest-puffing and gun shop bragging.

This is what I carry when in grizzly country with my own reloads that use 300gr hard cast bullets that I actually cast myself. It's a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley in .45 Colt with a 5.5" barrel.

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This is what I carry when in most places in Idaho where there is a nearly zero chance of coming across a grizzly, a Glock Gen 4 G29 in 10mm.

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The Glock G29 is reasonably compact, holds ten rounds, or you can use the G40 15-round magazines and a $12 X-Grip adapter if you desire. It is reliable, stupid accurate, and eminently customizable to meet any of your needs. It is in the top three list of any serious outdoorsman who knows anything about real world conditions and doesn't get a case of Tourette Syndrome whenever someone mentions Glocks.
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Agree 100%. Toss that tight fit custom 1911 in the wilderness for a couple days, it will be a paper weight at best. I prefer a double action revolver for the north woods and a glock 20 for everything else, including 2 legged vermin. Armchair commandos and internet rambos know exactly nothing about the real outdoors.
 
I hope they're kidding.

I've camped by myself in wildernesses in many National Forests. The Coconino National Forest near Flagstaff, the wilderness areas in the Six Rivers National Forest, the Loon Lake wilderness, near Lake Tahoe, Humboldt Redwoods State Park, Inyo National Forest, the Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness south of Livingston, MT, the Arizona/New Mexico Blue Mountain Range, Mount Hood in Oregon, north of Priest Lake in northern Idaho, the Sawtooth Wilderness, many other areas in the River of No Return Wilderness. And more - Colorado, South Dakota, Wyoming ....

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My 1911 will work as a paper weight on a windy day. And it also survived those stays in the wilderness.
 
I am thinking that the Glock will be a real first look.

I already own 8 Glocks,and a G-35 among them.

I once was a huge fan of the 1911's,no longer can state so.

Too many years of a duty S&W or Glock have jaded my opinion I guess.

Weight will be a major factor,so that is another reason to look at the "plastic gun".

I own just over 50 pistols,including a 'few' wheel guns in .44,.45,.357, and they have done woods duty.

But the scandiums are too light,and the rest are fairly heavy empty.

Thanks for all the input,I will be reading the rest of any who post.
 
scaatylobo said:
I am thinking that the Glock will be a real first look.

I already own 8 Glocks,and a G-35 among them.

Weight will be a major factor,so that is another reason to look at the "plastic gun".
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If you're already that familiar with Glocks and are competent with them, they seem the logical place to start. The low weight will definitely be a real advantage if that's a critical factor.

Tanfoglio makes several polymer offerings, but given your Glock collection diverting doesn't make much sense unless you just want variety.
 
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I am not a Glock fan but I think I would go with the 20 or 40 from them. Durable and will last a lifetime. Also, more rounds on board, factory option for long slide and RMR cut if you want/need that. The grip is large though so handle one first.
 
I think the Glock 29 is the best 10mm option on the market for concealed carry. Its roughly the size of a Glock 19, and holds 10+1. I carry Underwood 165 Gold Dots and it averages 1315-1320 fps from the short barrel. That's 11 rounds of 630 ft/lbs of energy. The 40 short and weak would need a 8" barrel to even get close. It's easy to swap it to a 9x25 Dillon, 357 SIG or 40 S&W.

By the way, just because it's small doesnt mean you cant hunt with it. I killed a large Doe with mine using a Underwood 200 XTP and had a complete pass through.

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All it does here is rain in the woods. I actually save my hikes for rainy days now.

It's too much of a pita to get my 1911's built the way I want, just to have them rust away. But a Glock is only a single evening to build, and under $1000 every time. Not to mention, extremely rust resistant. Hikers/hunters are at risk near water like every other creature. But I have no problem swimming with a Glock.

And weight is weight. Every ounce counts on a long hike, especially mountainous terrain.

1911 w/9 rounds = 2.8 pounds
Glock 41 w/14 rounds = 2.4
Glock 41 w/9 = 2.1
Glock 23 w/14 = 2.0

A fully loaded Glock is a half pound less. Almost 3/4 pound less loaded the same as a 1911. A Glock 23 w/14 rounds is almost a full pound less than a 1911, downloaded to just 9 rounds it should be an entire pound less.

To put it into perspective, my empty backpack capable of holding 6 months of solo hiking gear, weighs only one pound. My tent might be 2. My stove is only a few ounces, and my fuel is only 20oz.
 
I've got one of the first stainless Delta Elites and then was fortunate enough to pick up a S&W 1006, then I bought a Mech Tech 10mm carbine that's enough for me.

I also reload for them.
 
We have four 10mms. A 1911 that I got over 25 years ago that has always shot very well, has great adjustable sights and is both accurate and reliable. Our Sig 220 has the best case support I have yet seen on a factory 10mm auto pistol barrel. It will take a steady diet of full-on 10mm loads and is a tack driver. The other 2 are Ruger revolvers; a single action Blackhawk and a Super Redhawk. Not only will they handle any 10mm load, they are very accurate. The SRH has shot 4" groups @ 100 yards. I would not seriously consider any 10mm without adjustable sights because I need them to take advantage of the range and accuracy the round provides.
 
Old man here. Walking in the woods with the wife/grandson, I carry the G29 in 10mm. I bought it lightly used on sale for $429 (no box). Javelinas, coyotes, wolves, black bear, cougars (4 legged), and illegals--encounters have happened to other people around these parts--some fatal.

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GooseGestapo said:
5yr old video.
They’ve retired the Enfields and now issue a Sako bolt action patrol rifle in 7.62x51.
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Its a interesting story behind the use of the 1917 Enfield...
I picked my 1917 Milsurp about 30yrs ago .. Its has taken a two maybe three Whitetail ... , with Remington 220gr RN
Its not sporterized.... Still like it was , still has the red paint on the forearm
 
G20SF, Kimber Eclipse Custom II and an older Colt DE.
  • If i could only have 1, then I would pick G20 - 15 round mag, versatile with aftermarket barrels/parts (easy converts to 357Sig or 40 if that's your thing) and completely reliable out of the box. Consumes with ease all of the factory and hand loads I have run (many!).
  • Bought the DE used (my first 10mm) and it has had a couple visits to the local smith for upgrades over the years. Very smooth slide action - like butter. Most accurate of the three so far.
  • The Kimber, purchased new, had to go back to the factory and they really did a great job. Runs excellent and I'll be spending more range time with this beauty. Considering the money I have into the DE, the Kimber is quite loaded w great features for the price point. Excelent customer service.
 
Trey Veston said:
When you're talking about a firearm that will be carried in the woods as a back-up firearm for defense against critters and possibly people, that will be subjected to abuse, mud, debris, moisture, and God knows what else then forget anything in the 1911.

Seriously. The fact that so many people are recommending 10mm 1911s proves my theory that most posters here don't actually venture more than 50yds off the gravel roads from their King Ranch pickups.

I live on the edge of the wilderness. I am in the woods at least once a month where there are wolves, bears, ill-tempered elk, cougars, and the occasional tweaker.

There is no cell service where I go. If I get lost, there is no walking in any direction for a couple of miles and hitting a road. I grew up exploring the woods and hunting and fishing where choosing the wrong equipment could be fatal.

The 1911 is the wrong equipment.

I took this pic last month from where I consider to be my backyard. I am 10 miles from the nearest paved road, no cell service, 15 miles from a town, yet I don't consider it to be true wilderness...

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This is on a moose hunt a year or so ago. Nearest town was 20 miles to the West, it was grizzly country, wolves everywhere, and if you start walking East, you won't hit a town for 100 miles.

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What do most Real Men who carry sidearms in Alaska and Montana and Idaho carry? Either a large bore stainless revolver or single-action or a Glock in 10mm. Period. You will rarely see anything else being carried where actual lives depend on firearm choice rather than internet chest-puffing and gun shop bragging.

This is what I carry when in grizzly country with my own reloads that use 300gr hard cast bullets that I actually cast myself. It's a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley in .45 Colt with a 5.5" barrel.

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This is what I carry when in most places in Idaho where there is a nearly zero chance of coming across a grizzly, a Glock Gen 4 G29 in 10mm.

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The Glock G29 is reasonably compact, holds ten rounds, or you can use the G40 15-round magazines and a $12 X-Grip adapter if you desire. It is reliable, stupid accurate, and eminently customizable to meet any of your needs. It is in the top three list of any serious outdoorsman who knows anything about real world conditions and doesn't get a case of Tourette Syndrome whenever someone mentions Glocks.
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Great pictures! Where were they taken?

Sorry for the dumb questions, but I still consider myself a newbie to the shooting sports and am just trying to learn. You said a 1911 10mm isn't suitable for extended wilderness excursions because of mud, debris, etc. So are 1911s that finicky that they jam or malfunction under those conditions? I thought they were used in Vietnam and the Pacific battles of WWII? My Uncle Juan survived the Battle of Okinawa, and he said it was a rainy, muddy, miserable mess. But he didn't say much else about his wartime experiences (also fought at Guadalcanal). My Uncle Billy was a Marine sniper in Vietnam, but he also never said much about his experiences. But I figure those conditions should've been a good test on how they'd fare under adverse conditions. So I don't know if they experienced or witnessed any 1911 malfunctions due to sand, rain, mud, etc.

Also, you said you take your Glock G29 where there's nearly zero chance of coming across a grizzly. So is a 10mm not a good caliber against a grizzly? The G29 looks to be a great option if you want to carry 10mm concealed, but if conceal carry isn't an issue, which is the better 10mm, a G40 or a G20?

By the way, that Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt is awesome. I just have a small collection of firearms at the moment, and have a bunch I'd like to add, but that looks to be one I'd like to add soon!
 
G20. Mine has been with me on trips to the Continental Divide and is usually on my buddies hip. I carry a 45acp 1917 army revolver.

The g20 is cheaper, lighter, has more capacity, and more resistant to moisture than a 1911. Dirty bullets will also chamber better, due to the oversized chamber in a factory glock barrel.
 
I'll chime in only because I was a G20/Witness owner and had fun reloading for the 10MM. I've since sold both items but am now interested in getting back in since Springfield now has a 10MM variant.

I carried the G20 out in the wilderness for several years and was comfortable with that choice. I did, however, put an aftermarket barrel in the G20 as I was working different 200 gr loads to see what 10MM could get performance wise. In the end, I should of kept the G20 but was foolish on the sale of the weapon.
 
equin said:
You said a 1911 10mm isn't suitable for extended wilderness excursions because of mud, debris, etc. So are 1911s that finicky that they jam or malfunction under those conditions? I thought they were used in Vietnam and the Pacific battles of WWII? My Uncle Juan survived the Battle of Okinawa, and he said it was a rainy, muddy, miserable mess. But he didn't say much else about his wartime experiences (also fought at Guadalcanal). My Uncle Billy was a Marine sniper in Vietnam, but he also never said much about his experiences. But I figure those conditions should've been a good test on how they'd fare under adverse conditions. So I don't know if they experienced or witnessed any 1911 malfunctions due to sand, rain, mud, etc.
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Apparently the latest versions of the 1911 are quite finicky. I am no expert on the 1911 platform, but it seems getting one very reliable out of the box is quite a feat. And the increased weight and reduced capacity mean that they are a compromise over the Glock 20, even if they are made reliable and robust.

In my opinion, and I'm not saying anyone who chooses a 1911 over a Glock is dumb or ignorant or ignoring facts. I'm trying to be nicer in 2019... ;-)
 
Light weight is nice for carrying. Heavier weight is nice for actual shooting.
 
equin said:
Also, you said you take your Glock G29 where there's nearly zero chance of coming across a grizzly. So is a 10mm not a good caliber against a grizzly? The G29 looks to be a great option if you want to carry 10mm concealed, but if conceal carry isn't an issue, which is the better 10mm, a G40 or a G20?
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The debate over what is actually effective against Grizzly bears is endless and usually pointless. I've seen Grizzlies go down with 9mm and not go down when hit with 12ga slugs. I don't think you're going to stop a charging Grizzly with ANY handgun. You just have a better chance of stopping the attack and not being mauled to death with at least 300gr of hardcast lead.
 
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