jimbo555
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I second the Seecamp or Beretta.The Browning is well made but not safe with a round in the chamber.
What 25 auto just because?
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SouthernYankee
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I own a Beretta Bobcat 21A LR and yes I do carry it all the time! Unlike the Taurus (DAO), it is DA/SA. I have found over the years, I prefer to carry SA which was not my initial instinct. But the Beretta will provide that flexibility. As instructed, by the knowledgeable posters here, I found High Velocity rounds such as the CCI's work well in Blow Back designs. As such, I have so far experienced zero (0) failures at 250+ rounds (Mini Mags, Stingers, Velocitors, Game Blunts and Federal Bulk). Now everybody relax, I do own and carry a .45, but you cannot beat that little Beretta IMO. At <10yds it'll make holes in you real fast, small gun almost Zero Recoil. As far as ammo, Box of 50 .25 $26.00; a box of 500+ .22LR Federal $26.00 2 weeks ago, CCI 100 $10.95. My first choice for CCW, NO! But functional, reliable (operating within it's parameters), easy to carry and shoot, without a doubt so far. And the ammo aspect, I have stored... let's just say with it my 10/22, Bobcat & Tracker I could eat and stay safe for a looong time and be quite mobile. Forget about waiting for the "next" ammo problem period 
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BTW, if I wasn't clear, I love that little Beretta design IMHO.
.BTW, if I wasn't clear, I love that little Beretta design IMHO.
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I've had the Phoenix HP22 and it worked great for about 3,500 rounds before I had a frame crack. The gun still worked but it bugged me so I sent it in. Phoenix sent me a brand new gun. The new one works just as well as the old one.
If you intend to shoot in high volume I would say go with something else but if this thing will be an infrequent range toy it'll probably last forever. If you can afford to shoot 3,500 rounds of .25acp ammo and break one then you should definately go with the Colt anyways.
If you intend to shoot in high volume I would say go with something else but if this thing will be an infrequent range toy it'll probably last forever. If you can afford to shoot 3,500 rounds of .25acp ammo and break one then you should definately go with the Colt anyways.
Have owned 2 950 Jetfires before, nice reliable guns.
Found this little beauty at a show about a month ago. Ran the serial #, it's 22 years old, bluing is amazing.
Only shot it once but the FMJ went completely through a steel cabinet and through drywall. When I hear stories of a .25 bouncing off someone's head or getting stuck in clothing I take those stories with considerable doubt.
Found this little beauty at a show about a month ago. Ran the serial #, it's 22 years old, bluing is amazing.
Only shot it once but the FMJ went completely through a steel cabinet and through drywall. When I hear stories of a .25 bouncing off someone's head or getting stuck in clothing I take those stories with considerable doubt.
W.E.G.
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There are quite a few .25's that you can spend a good amount of coin on, and which will usually function OK.
I really doubt that .25 will be easier to come by than .22 LR during "ammo shortages."
You can buy a mountain of .22 LR for what you will pay for not much .25 auto.
Each is equally "combat ineffective."
So, toss a coin.
Toss a lot more coin if you want to shoot .25 auto.
I really doubt that .25 will be easier to come by than .22 LR during "ammo shortages."
You can buy a mountain of .22 LR for what you will pay for not much .25 auto.
Each is equally "combat ineffective."
So, toss a coin.
Toss a lot more coin if you want to shoot .25 auto.
There have been a few documented cases of this happening (glancing off skulls) but I'm betting that it's been overblown by alot of people. In the 80's the .25acp was one of the top ranking rounds in homicides. I'm not saying that they're super effective but they don't normally just bounce off of somebody.
The .25acp has killed plenty of people and an old cop buddy I had said that it does hurt like hell to take one in the shoulder and contrary to popular belief, he DID notice it!
MICHAEL T
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I have 2 of the 950BS Beretta on with safety one with out. 1 model 20. 1`Astra , 1 Bauer , and a FIE Titian . Of the group The 950 BS gets my nod for carry .
When my Bauer was new in late 70's. I worked as a suiter and of course no carry allowed and no CCW . I wore around neck on kite string, chamber empty . I left 1 shirt button un done as tie covered it ,Was a quick reach, jerk to snap string as clearing shirt ,and chamber round . Word their for years no one ever knew .
When my Bauer was new in late 70's. I worked as a suiter and of course no carry allowed and no CCW . I wore around neck on kite string, chamber empty . I left 1 shirt button un done as tie covered it ,Was a quick reach, jerk to snap string as clearing shirt ,and chamber round . Word their for years no one ever knew .
Bohemus
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CZ 92 or CZ45, they are bit larger, but easier to shoot.
I carried a Baby Browning as a pocket gun for almost 10 years. It is a classic but probably not a good one to carry with a loaded chamber. I got it really cheap second hand but if I had to do it over again I would pick a different .25ACP altogether.
wlewisiii
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I'll eventually get a Mauser WTP for my collection in 6.35 though I'll admit a temptation from the Baby Browning or the Colt 1908 Vest Pocket.
ApacheCoTodd
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Keepin' the .25 alive.
I say keep your eyes peeled for one of the older - exceptionally well made vest pocket guns. I love mine and can't seem to pass them up when the price is right.
Of your three choices - I'm a big fan of the Beretta for size, quality and that tip up barrel. I don't think parts will be an issue with one either. I've never needed any yet on any of my Berettas but the parts are available.
I say keep your eyes peeled for one of the older - exceptionally well made vest pocket guns. I love mine and can't seem to pass them up when the price is right.
Of your three choices - I'm a big fan of the Beretta for size, quality and that tip up barrel. I don't think parts will be an issue with one either. I've never needed any yet on any of my Berettas but the parts are available.
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toivo
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I have a Jetfire and a PSA "Baby." The PSA clones are cool little guns, but they will set you back a bit more than the others.
Keep in mind that for most men with average-sized fingers, the "Baby" is a one-finger gun. You'll be able to wrap your middle finger around the grip, and that's about it. The Jetfire, on the other hand, is a one-and-a-half-finger gun. It might not sound like much of an improvement, but it does have an effect on controllability.
Keep in mind that for most men with average-sized fingers, the "Baby" is a one-finger gun. You'll be able to wrap your middle finger around the grip, and that's about it. The Jetfire, on the other hand, is a one-and-a-half-finger gun. It might not sound like much of an improvement, but it does have an effect on controllability.
gyvel
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You're aware of the fact that the Beretta has no firing pin lock, right? If you cary it with a round in the chamber and the hammer down, you could potentially have an AD.
The fact is that that bone in the human skull is incredibly hard in most cases. Without going into details, anyone who has ever tried to reattach the two halves of the calvarium after an autopsy knows this.
Unfortunately, the CZ 36s and 45s are not commonly available in the US. They were generally "bringbacks" from GIs who served in Europe. The 92 is completely unavailable due to restrictions imposed by the GCA of 1968.
mr.trooper
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Ill probably end up going with a beretta if i can find one for a good deal. I didnt realize that Taurus is offering a "modern" version of their pt25 though. Looks like it would solve a few of the beefs i have with those pistols (wife has a pt22).
I dont need to think .25 will be availible because i have already seen it so.
A) Most people who own guns wont buy a 25 due to widespread missinformation
B) Those who do own a 25 may not buy any because they will be more concerned with other cartridges
C) Many of those who do buy 25 will only buy 1 or 2 boxes as an afterthought
D) Those who have it to sell or trade will likely ask less for it, because it will be in lower demand
9mm and 22lr will dissapear FIRST, expressly BECAUSE of their poppularity and commonality. Everyone has one, and everyone will be looking to buy that.
Many thanks to everyone who gave their input.
I dont need to think .25 will be availible because i have already seen it so.
A) Most people who own guns wont buy a 25 due to widespread missinformation
B) Those who do own a 25 may not buy any because they will be more concerned with other cartridges
C) Many of those who do buy 25 will only buy 1 or 2 boxes as an afterthought
D) Those who have it to sell or trade will likely ask less for it, because it will be in lower demand
9mm and 22lr will dissapear FIRST, expressly BECAUSE of their poppularity and commonality. Everyone has one, and everyone will be looking to buy that.
Many thanks to everyone who gave their input.
Confederate
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The Beretta is by far the best and I love .25ACP caliber, nor do I sell it short. I can't tell you how many articles I've read where bad guys get hit by a .25 and end up in the morgue. The problem is, I don't know how to get the 950s anymore except off the Internet. I have a couple, but I wouldn't sell mine but I'd buy another if I had the chance.
A small .22LR in many ways is just as good. If you buy good ammo and a well made pistol, you can't lose.
A small .22LR in many ways is just as good. If you buy good ammo and a well made pistol, you can't lose.
Nushif
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My wife has one. Inredibly fun gun to shoot.
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Was any machine pistol made in 25 auto?
ApacheCoTodd
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Less than a couple hundred Lerckers in Italy in the 50s.
There's also an un patented and difficult to nail down Israeli .25 select fire but I can't find any of my old reference stuff on that and haven't seen it in 20 or so years.
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The one I have is as close to a safe queen as I have. Unfortunately, I only have the 22lr and 32acp barrels. I am still looking for 25acp and 380acp barrels. Still, it's a great, fun gun.
http://remtek.com/arms/hk/civ/hk4/hk4.htm
The one I have is as close to a safe queen as I have. Unfortunately, I only have the 22lr and 32acp barrels. I am still looking for 25acp and 380acp barrels. Still, it's a great, fun gun.
riomedinamike
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Beretta 25 is the way to go. I have several that have never malfunctioned.
Buy a couple of boxes of 25 acp, and it will last you a long time.
Buy a couple of boxes of 25 acp, and it will last you a long time.
I have a Beretta 21 and a 950. Both are sweet little guns. If I were inclined to carry such a small caliber for self defense, I'd go with the 21. I'd feel more comfortable slipping the double action piece into my pocket, than the single action "cocked and locked." Plus the slightly fatter grip offers a better feel.
Jed Carter
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Another vote for the Beretta 950, good shooter for it's size, being SAO doesn't hurt.
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