.....still failing to see your point......How about implying that another member is a "moron?"
.....still failing to see your point......How about implying that another member is a "moron?"
That's pretty much directly the point.Point is, if I had to bet on the reliability of a new average 1911 against a new G-21, while I still think the 1911 can be very reliable, I'd have to go with the 21. But I still like my 1911's a lot!
Just assuming a 200 round break in using 9mm, and using 100 round WWB value packs, thats another $50+ in ammo (add that price to the cost of the gun), not to mention your time (whats that worth?) and effort.
When I go to shoot, its to shoot, not fiddle with a gun that should have already been broke in, or built properly when I bought it.
Since I quit buying 1911's, my first time out range trips with what Ive been buying since, have been quite pleasurable. Just load the mags and shoot.
They might be about perfect, if you can get Glock to finish them (I tried), and you increased the mag capacity.
While I have no experience with them I suspect the reason Nighthawk gun work is because one gets what they pay for when dealing with reputable companies. I would expect something like that to get some "a mano" attention before it leaves their factory and this in turn pays dividends to new owner. When one gets 1911 for well under $1000 they're playing gun function roulette.My buddy has a couple of Nighthawks. As tight and "hydraulic" as they are, I never understood how they worked, but they do.
Then again, I can buy 5 Glocks for what he paid for one, so they had better work out of the box.
I also out shoot him with my "lowly" Glocks. Then again, I out shoot him with his Nighthawks.
My Colts and GI uns were never really an issue, other than needing reliabilty packages with the older guns if I wanted to feed anything but ball. Most of the others were pretty annoying. If you have one that works, they are great guns.
They might be about perfect, if you can get Glock to finish them (I tried), and you increased the mag capacity.
Yea, but can you get one for $450-550?Yes you can buy a nitride/melonited one. They sell double stack ones too.
At $2500 a pop, it had better work. I wasnt aware that they were still requiring a 3-500 round break in at that cost, which is really ridiculous. But like I said, its standard 1911 rhetoric these days, and no one seems to bat an eye. My buddy's two worked right out of the box, and I was really amazed, as they were very tight and lock up when disassembled, just due to oil in the gun. Yet they seem to run fine when shot.While I have no experience with them I suspect the reason Nighthawk gun work is because one gets what they pay for when dealing with reputable companies. I would expect something like that to get some "a mano" attention before it leaves their factory and this in turn pays dividends to new owner. When one gets 1911 for well under $1000 they're playing gun function roulette.
My Kimbers were probably the prettiest 1911's I owned, yet they were one of the worst as far as function goes. Ill take ugly any day in that respect.I know which one's fuglyer
Shooting any gun will cost. They are no different then shooting 300-500 rounds through a Glock.. They just recommend not taking them apart to clean them till after that period.I wasnt aware that they were still requiring a 3-500 round break in at that cost, which is really ridiculous. But like I said, its standard 1911 rhetoric these days, and no one seems to bat an eye.
Every gun I shoot (new or not) gets shot about that anyway. Thats basically what I shoot every week in practice. The difference there is, its because I "want" to, as Im just there to shoot, not because I "have" to, to break the gun in.Shooting any gun will cost. They are no different then shooting 300-500 rounds through a Glock.. They just recommend not taking them apart to clean them till after that period.
Those couple of Kimbers I had would likely have made you consider it.I always try not to throw my pistols across the range through the gravel and into the creek...............but then, I don't own Glocks.
Every gun I shoot (new or not) gets shot about that anyway. Thats basically what I shoot every week in practice. The difference there is, its because I "want" to, as Im just there to shoot, not because I "have" to, to break the gun in.