What do you do with bad rounds?

Except for the large number of water damaged rounds from The Incident, I don't let duff ammo accumulate.
I pull them for the components. Most bullets eventually go to a friend who casts, but just today I seated a salvaged bullet to study whether I want to buy more.
I got back a primer from a split case and powder, primer and case after a Dillon hangup.

I have trashed some that looked bad. No reports of garbage volcanoes at the landfill.

But those 16 ga shotshells would be of value to a traditionalist with a gun.

You SAY that, but,

I have my dad's and grandfather's old '97 16 ga. It works. But it's not great. (I found out from one of my cousins, that my grandfather used to carry it with the slide to the rear, and slide it forward when he saw a pheasant. Yeah.) This ammo is at least 40 years old. So by the time I get this gun restored.....who knows?
 
I recycle all of the DUD rounds from my club range. It these are your loaded rounds if you wrote down the type of powder & primers you can save those. If not I would at least save the primers & bullets for plinking rounds. Dumping powder in the garden doesn't work in fact it's still flammable after it lays there & gets wet. I had some in my garden & the heavy rain washed it out into a pile. I scooped it up & tossed a small shovel into a outdoor fireplace & it sent up with a big WOOSH.
The pistol bullets can be pulled with an inertia/hammer puller. I pull the rifle bullets with a cheap electrical wire striper plyers like this. Grip the bullet just above the case neck & pull down the handle of your reloading press.
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for .22lr pull bullet with pliers, dump the powder, recycle the lead and brass. for .38/357 impact bullet puller dump the powder , recycle the lead, deprime the shell, if the shell is reloadable i'll clean it and reload it or recycle it. if the primers are spent i'll recycle them. they just want the primers seperate from the brass and those go into another bin. the live primers i just bury. last summer i recycled a nearly filled 5 gal bucket of shells and a couple of smaller containers with lead and primers and got over $65.
 
Dumping powder in the garden doesn't work in fact it's still flammable after it lays there & gets wet.

Right, smokeless powder is predominantly nitrocellulose which is pretty much a plastic. Also used in lacquer and photo film; with the addition of camphor producing Celluloid for billiard balls and other "artificial ivory" which looked good but had the disadvantage of being highly flammable. But I doubt there is anything in the soil to nitrify it to where it will serve as a fertilizer.
 
I just finished spreading a whole Old can of black powder over my yard. Must have been 20 years old. Thought it was about time to get rid of it.

Don't do that in the future. Blackpowder is a very stable compound. It does not get unstable with age. Contact with water will ruin it, other than that, you could use Revolutionary War blackpowder if it was kept dry. (If anyone has genuine 1770's blackpowder, tell me your experience with shooting it!)

I occasionally come across stories of individuals who died attempting to defuse Civil War explosive shells. The American Civil war occurred before smokeless propellants & advanced explosives were developed for commercial and military uses. (I am sure someone had made some real unstable precursors to modern explosives by the 1860's) So the explosive shells of the era were loaded with black powder. Every so often someone digs one up, the shell body is still water proof and the black powder inside still good. And in the drilling, or whatever, the charge goes off.

I kept for decades a newspaper clipping of an antique shop in Gettysburg PA that exploded. The owner found a CW artillery shell and was drilling it out in the back of his shop. He died and so did a customer. Probably heat or a spark made its way to the main charge and Kaboom!

Artillery shells from WW1 are still killing French farmers. An unbelievable number of unexploded ordnance is still being pulled out of the ground. The propellants and explosives from that era, to today, become unstable with age. Moving old unexploded artillery shells is very risky. Making things more fun, chemical weapons from WW1 to after WW2 were just dumped in the ground, or at sea. During the WW1 period, both the British and the French buried many chemical shell dumps in place as that was the easiest thing to do. Blow up a chemical weapon and the fun is just starting!

More reading; The Annual Iron Harvest of Unexploded Shells from the WWI battlefields

 
Ok, so in my years of moving, divorcing, splitting up collections, and learning to reload, I have accumulated a significant collection of rounds of many shapes and sizes which I do not consider to be safe to use for a variety of reasons. What should I do with them?

Just easing them into the trash seems irresponsible. But I basically have a bin of lead, gunpowder and primers that I don't want around anymore.
I tell my mother-in-law they are special light rounds loaded just for her comfort. Then send her to the range with instructions to bring back the empty brass. She keeps showing up with the brass.:(
 
I'd leave it as a collection.

If you must disarm them, pour the powder into your garden. Nitrates are good for the soil (and hence the EU's declaration that nitrates are bad). Primers may be disabled with a drop of oil.

What Slamfire said about blackpowder is correct. Even when wetted, blackpowder set out to dry will still go boom! The National Park Service verified this when they recovered and emptied the shells from the Union ironclad Cairo (sunk by a "torpedo" which is Civil War parlance for mine).
 
Ok, so in my years of moving, divorcing, splitting up collections, and learning to reload, I have accumulated a significant collection of rounds of many shapes and sizes which I do not consider to be safe to use for a variety of reasons. What should I do with them?

Just easing them into the trash seems irresponsible. But I basically have a bin of lead, gunpowder and primers that I don't want around anymore.

If you don’t reload or want to deal with them I’m sure you must know or can easily find some who would gladly take them to recycle the components.
 
I break old ammo down and salvage any components worth saving. Powder gets dumped in the yard, projectiles get trashed, cases get dumped in the brass box at the range.
 
Ok, so in my years of moving, divorcing, splitting up collections, and learning to reload, I have accumulated a significant collection of rounds of many shapes and sizes which I do not consider to be safe to use for a variety of reasons. What should I do with them?

Just easing them into the trash seems irresponsible. But I basically have a bin of lead, gunpowder and primers that I don't want around anymore.
Pull the bullets and save them to reuse or recast. Reuse the brass. Dump the powder in a long line on the ground and light it when you've got folks over who want to see a cool little fireworks display.
 
That is the officially recommended means of disposing of unwanted SMOKELESS powder.

I did something similar with black powder. I had some black powder that the previous owner of the house left in the garage when he moved. I didn’t know how to get rid of it, so I got some unused and unpainted gutter I had left. I poured a thin and narrow trail down the gutter and lit it. I think I lit it with a long fireplace match but its been so long I may have simply tossed a match on it from a distance. Big flash and that powder was gone.

Needless to say the container holding the remainder of the powder was elsewhere during this. Also, I was paranoid about a remaining ember light more powder as I poured it, so I did one “trail” a day. Took me about 5 days to get rid if it.

I can’t say this is the best way, or even a safe way. But it worked for me.
 
Back when I was young and slightly more dumberer, I thought it would be neat to light off a pile of black powder.
About 1/2 lb worth in a single pile, and I lit it from up close with a lighter.
I can say now with some certainty.... don't do that! Bad times!
Lost some hair, and had huge blisters on my right palm and up my arm. I learned that black and smokeless are not the same that day
 
Post 38 why not.
Post 39 how.
Post 31 another reason why not.
Is this a response to my question about lighting a trail of black powder? Wondering if we're looking at different post numbers, for some reason.
Post 38 is your description of how to get rid of BP without lighting it.
Post 39 is my question. (Which was rhetorical, BTW)
Post 31 is about someone's mother in law bringing brass home from the range.
 
Not quite sure how we managed to evolve to black powder? :) I had about 5 Lbs of FF and FFF and mentioned it here in the forums. I had absolutely no use for it and had it here in the house for about 20 years. All sealed 1 Lb cans. A forum member from a few miles up the road wanted it so I told him C'mon over and I just gave it to him. He was happy and I was happy to see it go. :)

Ron
 
I pull the lead off dud .22 rounds, and use a kinetic puller for centerline rounds. The components for the centerline are recycled as appropriate, as is the lead bullet for the rimfire rounds. The rimfire brass gets tossed in the scrap bucket and the powder gets dumped into a burn can (old metal coffee can). The centerfire powder is also dumped in the burn can. I wait until I have a good amount then ignite it with a tossed match or grill lighter.

My shooting buddy and I disposed of some old dud black powder (lots of weak / dud ignitions) by laying out a trail and using a grill lighter. It made a huge cloud of smoke the instant it got lit. Hollywoodis full of it when they show the slow burning of powder.
 
Is this a response to my question about lighting a trail of black powder? Wondering if we're looking at different post numbers, for some reason.
Post 38 is your description of how to get rid of BP without lighting it.
Post 39 is my question. (Which was rhetorical, BTW)
Post 31 is about someone's mother in law bringing brass home from the range.

How did I get offset a notch?

Anyhow, there are two examples of BP flaring up fast and a recommendation to wash it out with a lot of water.
 
Anyhow, there are two examples of BP flaring up fast
That's why it should be in a long, thin line, not a pile. :thumbup: I'm not sure why somebody would be getting rid of black powder anyway. Smokeless, I could see, lot of potential unknowns. Much less so with BP.
 
Don't do that in the future. Blackpowder is a very stable compound. It does not get unstable with age. Contact with water will ruin it, other than that, you could use Revolutionary War blackpowder if it was kept dry. (If anyone has genuine 1770's blackpowder, tell me your experience with shooting it!)

I occasionally come across stories of individuals who died attempting to defuse Civil War explosive shells. The American Civil war occurred before smokeless propellants & advanced explosives were developed for commercial and military uses. (I am sure someone had made some real unstable precursors to modern explosives by the 1860's) So the explosive shells of the era were loaded with black powder. Every so often someone digs one up, the shell body is still water proof and the black powder inside still good. And in the drilling, or whatever, the charge goes off.

I kept for decades a newspaper clipping of an antique shop in Gettysburg PA that exploded. The owner found a CW artillery shell and was drilling it out in the back of his shop. He died and so did a customer. Probably heat or a spark made its way to the main charge and Kaboom!

Artillery shells from WW1 are still killing French farmers. An unbelievable number of unexploded ordnance is still being pulled out of the ground. The propellants and explosives from that era, to today, become unstable with age. Moving old unexploded artillery shells is very risky. Making things more fun, chemical weapons from WW1 to after WW2 were just dumped in the ground, or at sea. During the WW1 period, both the British and the French buried many chemical shell dumps in place as that was the easiest thing to do. Blow up a chemical weapon and the fun is just starting!

More reading; The Annual Iron Harvest of Unexploded Shells from the WWI battlefields



Just to add to your article: While installing an underground sprinkler system at the American University at DC, the trenching machine came in contact with what I thought it was a pipe, and I started to dig around the object until one of my helpers said: This thing looks like a bomb!
After that, the groundskeeper called a bomb expert from TN, and he came over to dig the artifact. This was back in the late 80's I believe.
This place was (supposedly) were chemical munitions were stored during WW1.
 
I'm not sure why somebody would be getting rid of black powder anyway.
Well I figured I had 5 Lbs of black powder in cans that I had absolutely no use for and likely never would have any use for. While I don't expect or plan on a house fire I also did not want to explain a large explosion so as I mentioned a forum member here wanted it and having no use for it I happily gave it away. :) That's why I got rid of it.

Ron
 
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