7mm08. This round is about perfect for 99% of game, and target, fun, and teaching out there. But its not a common rifle to find, especially in lightweight AR-10 barrels, the reason I don't have one. The 6.5 Sweedmoor will probably be its death. Pistol, 25ACP. For the most part, the psychology of being shot is about equal in all cases. Most pistols have no real stopping force anyway. Sure there are pistols almost as small as a baby browning, but key word is almost. They also kick 20 times harder, and are much louder. They're almost all plastic as well. Its a reasonably accurate round, and in something like a Ruger MK or other fullsize it would allow for a great, handloadable pistol target round. Just my thought.