Arizona_Mike
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What Guns and Suppressors do you plan on buying if the HPA passes?
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CapnMac
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Most of my inventory would make poor hosts. I'd probably get a threaded barrel for the Sig 220.
What would be a cool would be an integrally-suppressed barrel for the Colt Target .22
So, in my case, it would be a good reason to just buy new things--how tragic!
What would be a cool would be an integrally-suppressed barrel for the Colt Target .22
So, in my case, it would be a good reason to just buy new things--how tragic!
primalmu
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Not really, but since I can't see the future I had to put some sort of timeline. After I posted that I started thinking about how .22 LR is just now starting to catch up, but I don't see suppressors being sold out on that level (though hopefully -- for future gun lovers, anyway -- I'm wrong!).
I'd like to see someone build a lightweight, booster less 3 lug attach muzzle blast tamer for a 357 Sig. It's not worth the $200 to Form 1 or Form 4 something like that now, but if suppressors go Title 1 then instead of people chasing decibels for the ultimate in suppression, practical sized 'muzzle blast moderators' would become useful to tame higher performance handguns bark. I'd also like to see all the mallninjidiots at the public range with obnoxious muzzle brakes on their low recoil 556 sport utility rifles get with the current year and put a can on it. Finally, can you say disposable rimfire cans in the convenient 4-pack at SAMs Club? It's a Jetzons World...
bangswitch
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I'll get a can for my M4 300BLK, and maybe sell my Ruger 22/45 target for a 22/45 with the lightweight threaded barrel and get a can for it. I don't plan for a suppressor for my two main carry pistols (.40 compact and 1911), because I train with them like I'd shoot them defensively.
I hope that if the law passes the price of suppressors will dramatically fall as production volume increases (and perhaps also as the social stigma and potential liability decreases.) I know that some of them use Inconel for the baffles but even then the pricing on some of them are just nuts.
Maybe an integral suppressed barrel for my Ruger MK III tactical and 10/22 takedown ... both stainless and maybe SBR the take down so it could be a 4" barrel with 6" of suppressor. When disassembled it would fit in a standard messenger bag
If you chop off the barrel to 4" and add the suppressor as long as it has the suppressor on it it's not considered an SBR?
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the passing of H.P.A (or any pro-gun bill for that matter) is FAR from a certainty. You still need 60 votes in the U.S. Senate to advance legislation since Harry Reid's "Nuclear Option" only applied to judicial appointments. The only real viable way of getting these bills signed into law would be to attach them to a a spending appropriations bill and then take advantage of reconciliation, but this would be exceptionally difficult. Ofcourse, the republicans could do away with the filibuster entirely and expand the "Nuclear option", however, later on down the road when the tables are turned and Democrats regain control of the U.S. Senate, we will just have to sit still and take it while they use the same rule against us to pass an AWB or who knows what else.
Chuck Schumer basically has to sign off on any of these bills for them to have a chance at passing under the current Senate rules. So, yeah.. I wish it was this easy, but sadly it's not. I would LOVE both of these to become law.
Chuck Schumer basically has to sign off on any of these bills for them to have a chance at passing under the current Senate rules. So, yeah.. I wish it was this easy, but sadly it's not. I would LOVE both of these to become law.
JTHunter
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Unfortunately, even threaded barrels are illegal here in "Obamaland" (Illinois). As we were the last to get "legal" concealed carry (which they are STILL fighting and stonewalling), how long do you think they will fight suppressors?
In typical Illinois fashion, all they have to do is leave threaded barrels as "illegal" and, until they are forced by the courts, whether or not the cans are legal is immaterial.
In typical Illinois fashion, all they have to do is leave threaded barrels as "illegal" and, until they are forced by the courts, whether or not the cans are legal is immaterial.
Old Dog
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Although I can't believe the Dems would let this bill fly ("Now people can just sneak up on other people and shoot them and no one will hear the gunshots to call 911 so the police can come look at the dead body");
I would certainly pick up a SIG suppressor for one of my 226s and maybe a GEMTECH or AAC for the FNX-45 Tactical ... Then, yep, I'd have to pick up an AR in .300 Blackout for sure.
I would certainly pick up a SIG suppressor for one of my 226s and maybe a GEMTECH or AAC for the FNX-45 Tactical ... Then, yep, I'd have to pick up an AR in .300 Blackout for sure.
minuteman1970
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While I am hopeful that HPA passes and we advance as a nation on other pro-2A fronts, my home state of NY and I believe several other states prohibit the ownership of suppressors. I don't believe buying one will become an option for me.
I've got a few suppressors now, if they become regulated like regular firearms and it will be legal to build your own then I will be making some pretty cool ones. 
Definitely thinking one for my 10 gauge, one for my Saiga 12, and an integrally suppressed .22 rifle.
Also I have a friend that works for a suppressor manufacturer and gets 50% off so I'll probably scoop one or two of those up.
Definitely thinking one for my 10 gauge, one for my Saiga 12, and an integrally suppressed .22 rifle.
Also I have a friend that works for a suppressor manufacturer and gets 50% off so I'll probably scoop one or two of those up.
deadin
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deleted as posted wrong place.........
We would need 8 Democrat "Aye's" to advance this legislation in the U.S. Senate assuming every single republican was on board.
Theohazard
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It would be an SBR unless the silencer was permanently attached to the barrel via an approved BATFE method (silver solder, pinning-and-welding, etc.) to make it 16" or longer.Aim1 said:
JR24
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Suppressors being available in my state; the thing stopping me is cost. I don't see that changing if HPA passes.
About the same as my chances of convincing Taylor Swift to marry me via twitter. Lol
Theohazard
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Of course it would change. Once anyone can get a silencer just like buying a rifle and regular FFL dealers can stock them, prices will drop significantly. Sure, prices won't drop right away because the current supply won't meet the initial demand increase. But once the manufacturers catch up, prices will plummet.JR24 said:
Currently, there are four main things that keep prices high:
1) FFLs need to pay an extra tax to deal in silencers. This both increases operating costs and also limits availability to consumers since not every FFL can deal in silencers.
2) There is increased paperwork for both manufacturers and dealers. Also, manufacturers have to store the silencers while the Form 3 clears before they can ship them to dealers (about 1 - 3 months on average over the last several years) and then dealers have to store the silencers while the Form 4 to the customer clears (in the last several years it's ranged from 4 - 12 months). Also it's more effort for dealers to stock silencers considering dealers can't just order them and have them sent right away, once the dealers orders them the manufacturers or distributors have to file and wait for a Form 3 to clear with the ATF each time.
3) Due to the cost, effort, time, and $200 tax required to buy a silencer -- combined with the fact that there's almost no used market for them and selling them requires the same process as buying new -- people don't want cheaply-made silencers or older designs, they want the best materials and the latest, quietest designs. If you have to pay a $200 tax, get fingerprinted and photographed, and wait almost a year for something you'll never be able to sell easily for a halfway decent price, you're probably willing to shell out extra money for a top-quality silencer. For example, stainless steel works pretty well for the baffles in rifle silencers, but stellite and inconel will last significantly longer. Stellite and inconel are expensive and hard to work with, but people like knowing that their rifle silence will last longer because of it and are willing to pay extra for rifle silencers that use those materials.
4) Because of the cost, effort, and time required to get them, silencers are a relatively small market. And because of this, the prices aren't as low as a higher-volume item like a regular firearm.
It's pretty clear that once all of these issues are removed by the HPA, prices will drop a lot. The only question is how long will that price drop take.
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