What if US was like Pakistan in terms of gun market?

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I wish you would stop using the word "our". Freedom does not mean what you think it means and I hate to think most of us have anything in common with your views.

However, isn't THR a place of different viewpoints? There are many different definitions of freedom from different countries and ethnic groups?. I just adhere to one or more of them. However, that doesn't mean I am always right. I am human after all, just like everybody else.
Please be more accepting of your peers. Even if I disagree with someone here, and I have many times, I never cross the line and say hateful things.
 
Rachen Like I said, I live in NYC and have seen how true American culture have been mocked, degraded, and stomped on by the filthy, mud covered boots of materialism, greed, capitalism, and consumer culture.

I can remove that song if you want me to, but I thought I just wanted to share with you all something that I found so mystical and so beautiful.
Rachen,
I agree with you that American culture is completely materialized and greedy and thats its worse now then what is was 10-100 years ago.But there is not much we can do only to live the way we live and deal with it.
Please do not post any more propaganda past this post.
 
However, isn't THR a place of different viewpoints? There are many different definitions of freedom from different countries and ethnic groups?. I just adhere to one or more of them. However, that doesn't mean I am always right. I am human after all, just like everybody else.
Please be more accepting of your peers. Even if I disagree with someone here, and I have many times, I never cross the line and say hateful things.

Hateful? What about that is hateful? Hateful is proposing sending convicts to the underground mines, not to mention some of the other whacked out crap you have posted. You are not helping things in the slightest, the best we can do is make sure your crazy views are soundly mocked so they are less effective when some anti shows up here looking for ammo against the thing you claim to be opposed to. I agree with dmxx9900, please stop.
 
Rachen wrote:

Like I said, I live in NYC and have seen how true American culture have been mocked, degraded, and stomped on by the filthy, mud covered boots of materialism, greed, capitalism, and consumer culture.


And China isn't in an economic growth trend now? Isn't Hong Kong part of China as well?


And someone has to say this.

So you've seen NYC. And you TRULY believe that is representative of all American culture?

I've lived in NYC. Come down to Mississippi and see how far off base you could be.


-- John
 
Come down to Mississippi and see how far off base you could be.

I'd love to! I'd truly love to.
I want to move to the South soon. I want to bring my family there. My father used to own a restaurant in Arkansas shortly after he moved to the States. He said the thing that he regretted most was moving out of the beautiful South into a northern cesspool drain.
 
I want to share with you a song from a nation whose people are dedicated and working together to eliminate decadence and building a prosperous future.
Ah North Korean, wonderful. Funny that you put "death to tyrants" in your sig, you encourage the killing of yourself as leader.


Back on topic:

Do you want the situation in pakistan replicated in the US?
I would lov to own automatics... but not at the cost of freedom.

Actualy the situation in Pakistan is the reason the 2nd exists in America. Those people resisted a tyranical government which due to foriegn influance and demands is attempting to crush them.
They have resisted successfuly as a poor place with little industry against a mighty centralized government with factories and a decent military. Successfuly enough to cause the government to back off and call for a cease fire for a time.
It is a shame one of those foriegn influances is America, for I love America.

Put it into perspective. Imagine the same thing happened here.
Imagine the U.N. and other nations pressured the United States government to crack down on those who believe they have the right to resist tyranny, and support "small arms proliferation" (gun nuts.)
Imagine the United States government gave into such pressure and had sweeping reforms and went after such people. Wouldn't you want the opposition to successfuly achieve enough of a stalemate to cause the government to pause and reconsider?


That would only happen if the government met strong opposition which inflicted high casualties on the agents tasked with implementing such legislation as well as the people creating it, or brought the economy to its knees, lowering the quality of life dramaticly, which would also lower the income from taxes the government was recieving and operating on.

Those people in the video in Pakistan are loyal to a fault to anyone that gains thier respect. If an outsider then demands they betray someone who has treated them with equal respect, even with the threat of death and destruction behind it, they will stand for honor even at no personal gain and facing heavy loss.
To them it is a matter of integrity, not gain or loss.

Because they border Afghanistan, currently that is bringing them into conflict with the American military, and UN forces because Taliban flee into thier region.

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The people labeled pathan on that map are those people.

What they are using those arms for is exactly why the 2nd exists in America. If a foriegn military invades, it is your duty as an American to impede thier success (and you won't accomplish that by facing an advanced military openly, it would be done through an insurgency.)
If foriegn pressures cause your own government to become tyrannical, it is your duty under the constitution to defend America's liberties and freedoms for America's sake, not the U.N.'s. or whatever nation is doing the influencing.

I support America, and will therefore not support a people coming into conflict with our troops. I still have great sympathy and admiration for those people though, because they are attempting to defend many of the very rights the constitution grants us.
Especialy the RKBA for the purpose the 2nd mentions.
They are doing it at great risk and loss, for no personal gain, simply because they believe it is the right thing to do. Even with thier own government betraying them because of foriegn pressure.
 
effective when some anti shows up here looking for ammo against the thing you claim to be opposed to. I agree with dmxx9900, please stop.

Please clarify. I hope you didn't say I was opposed to guns.
 
Rachen wrote:

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Come down to Mississippi and see how far off base you could be.

I'd love to! I'd truly love to.


Great. You will rapidly see that the US is not necessarily defined by one or two major metropolitan markets.


-- John
 
Please clarify. I hope you didn't say I was opposed to guns.

Viewpoints such as yours will serve to do nothing but make it possible for the self titled mainstream to marginalize us and actually work against what we all want. If I read you right you want the US to be China with more guns. No thanks.
 
Great. You will rapidly see that the US is not necessarily defined by one or two major metropolitan markets.

Thanks for letting me know that the majority of the United States hasn't been corrupted, fouled, and made putrid by things that Britney Spears, George Clooney and Justin Timberlake calls "culture".

I hope one day, the forces of patriotism and true conservatism would surge back to New York and end the gloomy oppression by capitalist megalomaniacs and finally allow the Sun to shine out from between the clouds again.
 
I hope one day, the forces of patriotism and true conservatism would surge back to New York and end the gloomy oppression by capitalist megalomaniacs and finally allow the Sun to shine out from between the clouds again.

And we can have a new Cultural Revolution or a Great Leap Forward!
 
For the Motherland! I vill bring Ivan and Boris over and we will discuss matters of Old Country. Soon we vill rrrrise up and tell the Bourgeoisie they will not stomp on the Proletariat any more! Glory to Lenin! Glory to Stalin! GLORY TO THE WORKING MAN!
 
Back on topic please, enough have clearly responded to a single posters views other than the OP's.
 
Rachen,

My point being that "middle America" tends have more traditional values.

I'm not against capitalism-- after all-- a work ethic is one of the founding values of this country. Work should be equitablly rewarded. I include the risks taken with your assets within that criteria.

After all, if you notice my occupation, you'll notice that I am intimately involved with capitalism.


And yet, money does not define my life-- nor is it greater than principles or values. Wealth is a tool only. While it is essential to be financially responsible, it is not a thing to live for.

You may want to qualify some of your statements. Some of your comments are reminiscent of another person who liked firearms who was critical of US materialism about a year ago.

No one is obligated to remain in US society. There are plenty options available out there.


-- John
 
Sorry I used the word capitalist too carelessly without adhering to the real definition of the word.
My point being that "middle America" tends have more traditional values.

I completely agree.

NYC has gotten me completely repulsed, disgusted, and thoroughly nauseated, so guys, please don't call me a troll or parasite or anything else. You would be upset and disgusted too if you are sitting in your study and trying to work on a novel or painting and rap music being played from that "pimped out" car down in the street keep serenading you, every night, every night, every night.
 
I, and a great many people dislike the popular culture of today, and how it breeds violence and sexually provocative world.

I believe I have the cure for that.

This is pretty chilling stuff.

OK folks...I'm gonna go way out on a limb here...and way off thread (whatever it was?). This may get a lock - but here goes...

Rachen:
I don't think you are kidding. I think you are very serious. I also think you may be experiencing the onset of a manic (bipolar) episode. I urge you to see a doctor and talk about what you are thinking and experiencing right now. Help is available. Treatment works.

I dearly hope you aren't thinking about doing anything to hurt yourself or anyone else. I do not mean this to be condescending or in any way disrespectful to you. We're here for you, bro.
 
Rachen:
I don't think you are pulling kidding. I think you are very serious. I also think you may be experiencing the onset of a manic (bipolar) episode. I urge you to see a doctor and talk about what you are thinking and experiencing right now. Help is available. Treatment works.

I dearly hope you aren't thinking about doing anything to hurt yourself or anyone else. I do not mean this to be condescending or in any way disrespectful to you. We're here for you, bro.

LOL, but sorry at whatever I said before that offended anybody.
I have read many, many political works from Russia, DPRK, and other places and I was just trying to offer it for discussion here. However, I was just surprised at how many negative reactions I got.
 
Threats to systematically execute a subculture tend to get those sorts of responses, yes.
 
Huzzah! There is a war going on in this thread...

I have long had a great amount of admiration for the Pashtun people, both in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They live by a code of honor and respect in a society regulated without an external governing body--or they try to, anyway. They have survived for millennia and their culture survives.

Imagine a society like that in America, except instead of tribes we would have states and commonwealths. It could be a confederate styled system.

Sounds familiar...

But the truth is, that arms market exists because of illegal smuggling and because of a demand--principally, they need those arms to survive.

Let America never have such need...

If you want a civilized society, a polite society, with lower priced class 3 weapons, then get the 1986 limitation repealed. Prices would go down, accessibility up, etc.

But as for the nuances of supplying a market with large quantities of automatic rifles and explosive rifles similar to the developing world, comrade, you are opening a can of worms that may not be well suited for a Web community...

Sit outside as the sun goes down, have a beer, and contemplate the many repercussions and benefits of such a move. Much thought and research will be necessary. Tempting, yes, but not something that should be rushed into.
 
Threats to systematically execute a subculture tend to get those sorts of responses, yes.

I was just talking about the gangs. They killed many innocent people and terrorized whole communities. Just look at the damage that MS13 did to California.

And yes, let's get back on topic.
 
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