What is the least useful self-defense advice you have ever heard?
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hammerklavier
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Not so fast! Look at the context:
DeepSouth
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Probably the worst "advice" I ever got was to buy a smaller gun because it's lighter, He was probably thinking that I'd carry it more often, he just didn't know that I already carried 'full time'
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How bought some OT advice, read the sig.
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How bought some OT advice, read the sig.
sidheshooter
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I haven't heard that one in a loooong time. I hope the next time is even longer.
Speaking of grabbing windpipes and kicking testicles, whoever thought that gem up should be in line for one or both, IMNSHO. [/rant]
chuckusaret
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If you are confronted by a BG ignore him and walk away.
gyvel
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Putting on hearing protectors if someone breaks into your home because, if you have to shoot, the report might damage your hearing.
Vanguard.45
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Two of them
"Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."
This usually follows some crazy advice which advocates any number of illegal actions on behalf of an otherwise-law-abiding citizen. I would say, "Better to have the case ruled a justifiable shoot and watch the bad guy carried away by the EMTs."
"If you get into a 'knife fight', you should expect/ be prepared to get cut."
First of all, I have never been in a "knife fight," as I have never portrayed any characters in a production of "West Side Story". I have been in fights where the other guy pulled out a knife, and I kept wondering why I was not prepared to get cut. I mean, I was cut, but I kept wondering how I might have been prepared for this? Should I have cut myself a few times in training to see how it felt and how long it took for my blood loss to make me lightheaded? I know that the statement refers to being "mentally prepared," but I don't know if one can ever truly be prepared to have a piece of metal plunged into your body and then watch blood pour from the wound which you can't believe is actually your body. Good luck preparing for that one, troops!
And if you are EXPECTING to get cut, then you shouldn't be using whatever strategy you are using which might lead one to getting cut.
I guess my favorite advice comes from Clint Smith. He says, "Always cheat. Always win."
My second favorite comes from another Clint (Eastwood) from "The Outlaw Josey Wales": "Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is."
That about sums me up when it comes to fighting.
Vanguard.45
"Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."
This usually follows some crazy advice which advocates any number of illegal actions on behalf of an otherwise-law-abiding citizen. I would say, "Better to have the case ruled a justifiable shoot and watch the bad guy carried away by the EMTs."
"If you get into a 'knife fight', you should expect/ be prepared to get cut."
First of all, I have never been in a "knife fight," as I have never portrayed any characters in a production of "West Side Story". I have been in fights where the other guy pulled out a knife, and I kept wondering why I was not prepared to get cut. I mean, I was cut, but I kept wondering how I might have been prepared for this? Should I have cut myself a few times in training to see how it felt and how long it took for my blood loss to make me lightheaded? I know that the statement refers to being "mentally prepared," but I don't know if one can ever truly be prepared to have a piece of metal plunged into your body and then watch blood pour from the wound which you can't believe is actually your body. Good luck preparing for that one, troops!
And if you are EXPECTING to get cut, then you shouldn't be using whatever strategy you are using which might lead one to getting cut.
I guess my favorite advice comes from Clint Smith. He says, "Always cheat. Always win."
My second favorite comes from another Clint (Eastwood) from "The Outlaw Josey Wales": "Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is."
That about sums me up when it comes to fighting.
Vanguard.45
Technically true, although it is often used in cases where it is not applicable. I would much rather commit a crime and be judged by a jury of my peers than be dead. I simply can't think of many cases where the situation is that black and white. For example, it might be used in reference to carrying a gun illegally to protect oneself, when the fact is that it is much more likely that you will get caught doing that than killed for not doing so.
Perfectly good advice. This is usually geared toward people who think they can get into some knife fight and dice the other guy to pieces without sustaining a scratch. It's used to point out that usually, if you are about to fight a guy with a knife, and you don't have a gun, your best option is often to run.
jaaron11
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I think you'll find that most commentaries believe Jesus was ending the discussion with "That is enough" because the disciples were getting sidetracked with the sword issue and not paying attention to the main issue being discussed. It doesn't necessarily mean that two swords is enough.
Vanguard.45
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I agree with ChaosS that you are MUCH more likely to be arrested for carrying illegally than to EVER face some goblin and have to use that gun/ knife.
And, while I agree that it is most likely one will be cut if facing a knife-wielding attacker in a "knife fight," I guess I am just perplexed at how most people who say the phrase utter it and then go on about teaching techniques for you to perform as if nothing will change when you are injured by a blade. It's like "Well, you're going to get cut, so we'll just try to minimize the damage by making it a less vital spot and then you can continue on toward "martial legend" status unimpeded." In my experience, the bad guy doesn't tend to attack on predictable lines, and ANYWHERE you are cut tends to both hurt and make a mess of things in a hurry. I understand knife tactics, and agree there are better places to get cut than others, but am amazed that people sometimes act as if getting cut is just a minor inconvenience.
Marc MacYoung wrote an interesting piece at the following link (http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifelies.html) which addresses this and many other myths of fighting with knives.
And, while I agree that it is most likely one will be cut if facing a knife-wielding attacker in a "knife fight," I guess I am just perplexed at how most people who say the phrase utter it and then go on about teaching techniques for you to perform as if nothing will change when you are injured by a blade. It's like "Well, you're going to get cut, so we'll just try to minimize the damage by making it a less vital spot and then you can continue on toward "martial legend" status unimpeded." In my experience, the bad guy doesn't tend to attack on predictable lines, and ANYWHERE you are cut tends to both hurt and make a mess of things in a hurry. I understand knife tactics, and agree there are better places to get cut than others, but am amazed that people sometimes act as if getting cut is just a minor inconvenience.
Marc MacYoung wrote an interesting piece at the following link (http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifelies.html) which addresses this and many other myths of fighting with knives.
I'm sure different people use it differently. Most of the time, I've seen it used to point out that you really don't want to get into a knife fight, and you certainly do not want to get into a protracted knife fight. That being said, sometimes you may not have a choice, so here's what to do if you do end up in that situation....
bwsmith2850
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I can't decide.
1. Rake his face with your keys.
2. Carry pepper. That's table pepper, not OC (pepper) spray.
3. If you have a phone, you don't need a gun.- How'd that work out for Milwaukee's Mayor?
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A Bitter Christian Clinging to His Guns
1. Rake his face with your keys.
2. Carry pepper. That's table pepper, not OC (pepper) spray.
3. If you have a phone, you don't need a gun.- How'd that work out for Milwaukee's Mayor?
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A Bitter Christian Clinging to His Guns
rcmodel
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Aim for the head.
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sidheshooter
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I can only think of the late Bob Kasper's response to this:
"What, are you crazy?"
(Not that a man with BK's credentials would ever deny the reality of the situation, just that prudent training would absolutely lean towards those techniques that will best minimize the chances.)
BigMustard
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At one point in time I found myself in a fist fight, which later turned into me ending up on my back and him pulling out a knife. I kicked him in the groin with both feet. I had boots on. I eventually got the better of him, but I did end up with 32 stitches and about a 4-5'' scar on my forearm. It's not the manliest thing to kick another grown man in the crotch, but aside from a small flesh wound I'm still here.
bigfatdave
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The rules of a boxing match were thrown out the moment a weapon was brought to the party.
Self-defense is not a sporting event, it is not an issue of "fighting fair" ... unless you provoked the knife-puller, you did good.
Broken-Tengu
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1) "Turn the other cheek" applies to insult, no assault.
2) Nothing wrong with this dictum, just so long as your prepared not to have respect returned to you. Be respectful, but be wary. I'm not one to "over-indulge" in desplaying "warm-fuzzy" feelings to people I don't know when I walk into a place, or abroad. Always scanning people, or looking for the "back-door".
3) Have to agree that that's crap doctrine for feel-good politicians who never had to fight in anger, or defence, for that matter.
The worst advice I got was at a martial arts seminar that delt with the issue of stand-up fighting. Mr. 'No-name instructor' was doing a knife-defense scenario, and I questioned him about the posibility of being forced to the ground, and being stabbed . His reply to me was " well......just don't find yourself on the ground. If you find yourself on the ground, then your defence skills suck and need work." About half hour later, he called me up to be his uke, so I tucked the knife in my belt, baited him in with hand technique, and took him to the ground, BJJ-style. Ended up 'locking' this tool up, taking the rubber knife out, and "stabbing" him multiple times in the head, chest, a couple of shots to the ass (with the rubber knife !), and ended by "slashing" his throat from behind. He said nothing after that, but glared at me the rest of the day. From the back. Oh well.
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1. Just give them what they want and they won't hurt you.
2. Wait for the police.
3. Me being armed will only make the situation worse.
2. Wait for the police.
3. Me being armed will only make the situation worse.
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LibShooter
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My uncle gave his daughter a snub nose .357 loaded with shot shells. He said if she ever needed to use it to, "Close your eyes and keep pulling the trigger until it stops going 'bang!'"
Telling a woman that a small revolver is the best choice for them "since they fit small hands".
Just having a gun will keep you safe.
"Unless you are carrying a ______, you are wasting your time".
"Dry fire is a waste of time; unless you are using live ammo, you aren't practicing".
"Give them whatever they want and they will let you go".:banghead:
Just having a gun will keep you safe.
"Unless you are carrying a ______, you are wasting your time".
"Dry fire is a waste of time; unless you are using live ammo, you aren't practicing".
"Give them whatever they want and they will let you go".:banghead:
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