What would the neighbors say?

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Ah, the drivel I find while looking for other things. <sigh>

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986540/posts

Essentially, an article dealing with the emotions and thought processes of people attending a CCW course in Kansas City.

Here's one I hadn't heard before:
"If you do shoot someone, and you belong to a church, have you thought of what your church will say? What will your neighbors say?"

Well, I suppose the members of the church won't be saying, "He was a good man. May he rest in peace."

I suppose the neighbors won't be saying (to your spouse), "We brought you some lasagna and a baked ham. Let us know how we can help you get back on your feet."

I guess it's important to some people to be in their social circle's good graces even in matters of life and death.
 
Here's one I hadn't heard before: "If you do shoot someone, and you belong to a church, have you thought of what your church will say? What will your neighbors say?"

Well frankly Scarlet.................
 
hmmm guess defending myself, my family, and my friends dont mean anything. oh well i knew a long time ago i was going to burn for worse things :evil: or thats how some religions look at me...
 
I'd tell them to shut up..I have a gun !!!!!!!!!1 (ok,ok, I know that I should not even joke about braggin on guns...)
 
Living across the river, I can only HOPE and PRAY that someday I can worry about what the neighbors might think. However, I doubt that CCW will ever exist in Illinois.:(

Six
 
My relatives in the Peoples Republic of California wonder why CCW is necessary in Utah (all those nice, peaceful people). It is necessary so that we do not have the problems they have in the PRK.
 
I dunno what the neighbors would think, neither do I care..

But I can imagine that some of their teenager or young adult offspring would overhear the parents talking about it.... Bet those kids find someone else to rob or burglarize....


Charles
 
Here's one I hadn't heard before:
"If you do shoot someone, and you belong to a church, have you thought of what your church will say? What will your neighbors say?"
Hmmm, a lot of flippant or callous answers here. Too bad. I think a lot of people have forgotten the issues they wrestled with when they got their first self-defense gun. For some folks, maybe it was long enough ago, or happened at a young enough age, that it's understandable you'd forget.

Me, I've only been shooting seriously for about three years now. When I first got my gun, and especially when I took my first class and got my CCW permit, I found a lot of different things to think through and consider. The reaction of neighbors and relatives was certainly one of them.

I think a lot of people have this starry-eyed idea that they'll be a hero if they shoot and kill some scumbag, that the cops will congratulate 'em and slap 'em on the back, that the neighbors will thank 'em, that the church folks will organize dinners for a week, that the city council will give 'em some kind of medal.

It doesn't work that way.

If you're a LEO and involved in a righteous shoot, you may be surrounded by LEO friends complimenting and reassuring you. This is a necessary and good thing, and is one of the primary reasons why police who are involved in deadly force encounters tend to recover their psychological equilibrium more quickly than ordinary citizens in similar situations.

For an ordinary person, defending your life might cost you half or more of your friends. If you live in a small community, odds are that the person you shot has friends and relatives whose paths you will continually be crossing. Even if they know that your attacker was a scumbag, they are hardly likely to give you a medal for offing him.

Remember the shooting in the Texas church a few years back? Some lowlife came into a youth group meeting and started blazing away, killing a bunch of people. Reading about it, I couldn't help but wonder, "What if I'd been there, armed and ready to protect the innocent?" Assuming I'd gotten through the physical difficulty of surviving the encounter, killing the perp, and not injuring any innocents, do you suppose anyone would have cheered? I really wonder. The folks in my own church would be unlikely to cheer (why is Christianity so often merely fatalism, I wonder?). Bet the folks in your church ain't so different.

Y'know all the threads here that begin with a line like, "I met a gun nut today!" or "You meet RKBA types in the darnedest places..." Such encouraging threads, aren't they? We're not alone, there's others out there like us -- and we are so damned rare that it's news when we encounter each other at any other venue besides the range. That should give you some clue what you could expect to face after even the most righteous shoot. Who in your community would really understand?

Nope, thinking it through is a good and valid thing to do. These are weighty matters. When all is said and done, you should be able to say, "I will do what I must do in order to survive." But you'd do well to count the cost before you say it.

pax

The man who is swimming against the stream knows the strength of it. -- Woodrow Wilson
 
The day I care about what the neighbors, or virtually anyone else for that matter, says about me will be a cold day in central hell.

And that's not a flippant, or callous, answer, either.

It's a statement of fact.

As I've told people before...

Don't like my life? Stay out of it, then.

I'm fully cognizant of the social, financial, and psychological issues involved in shooting another person.

Fully.

And I have, as part of my decision to carry a gun, accepted those issues.

Given the nature of the few true friendships that I have, and the nature of the individuals with whom I'm friends (as opposed to the many, many acquaintances I have to endure on a daily basis), I sincerely doubt that I would lose a single true friend over an issue such as this.
 
Well, I for one hope I NEVER EVER have to shoot someone. I will in a heartbeat if I absolutely have to, but it would be a day that would change me for the rest of my life. Maybe I'm different (and contrary to all the mouthing-off I've been doing) but I hope and pray I am never in a situation that requires me to take anyone's life - no matter who they are.

As for my neighbors, the ones who are my friends - and whose opinion DOES matter to me, because they are my friends - would stick with me. The rest I don't care about. AND if I AM in a situation that requires me to shoot someone, I will not be pausing contemplate my neighbors' opinions.
 
Well, I for one hope I NEVER EVER have to shoot someone. I will in a heartbeat if I absolutely have to, but it would be a day that would change me for the rest of my life. [...] I hope and pray I am never in a situation that requires me to take anyone's life - no matter who they are.

All I can say are "dittos"

Charles
 
Well, I know what the co-workers will say...

"Ya should've used a .45!"

Again, if your friends won't stand by you in your hour of need, well, they're not really friends.
 
Indeed. At the ripe old age of 22, I'm not exactly a worldy, salt-of-the-earth type with a million stories from my younger days (unless you really want to hear about Nightcrawler in elementary school). However, in my short time in this world, one thing I have learned, and learned well, is that trying times show you who your real friends are.

So someone isn't talking to you after you used a gun to save your own life? To hell with him/her, then. What kind of friend would rather see YOU dead than your attacker?

Community pressure CAN be a problem, though, espeically in small towns, and espeically if you've got kids in the local school.

Nevertheless, if your kids get picked on by the other kids because their mommy/daddy shot the badguy, it's still a lot better than them getting pats on the back and hugs because mommy/daddy is dead.
 
Here's one I hadn't heard before: "If you do shoot someone, and you belong to a church, have you thought of what your church will say? What will your neighbors say?"

"If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." (Exodus 22:2)

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his house, his possessions are safe." (Luke 11:21)
 
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