What's happening to Kimber quality?

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I think we can all agree on one thing. The first Kimbers were kick-@$$ guns, and were the reason why Colt (and to a lesser degree Springfield Armory) was sent running home with their tail between their legs. Nowadays however they've settled into the same lazy, can't-care-less form of manufacturing that the other 1911 makers are prone to. Colt, Kimber, SA, it doesn't matter anymore. You may find one that is cosmetically perfect and shoots great, looks great but doesn't shoot, looks and shoots like crap, or any combination therof. Some folks haven't had problems with the proprietary safety designs (Series 80, Series II, ILS), while others certainly have. I remember when Springfield first came on the scene in the late 1980's, everybody said they would bury Colt. Unfortunately Springfield ran into trouble by the early 1990's, and only in the past few years have they been "springing" back. Kimber arrived in 1996 and was ready to bury Colt as well, except Colt buried themselves nicely without any outside help. Then Kimber's QC started to slide only a few years after taking over the 1911 market. That left the custom makers, and from what I've read the number of folks complaining that Wilsons aren't as good as they used to be is increasing.

I think Jim Keenan said it best. Current 1911 manufacturers look at their products as toys, not as serious weapons like SIG and Glock do. I guess since there aren't too many LEO contracts out there for 1911 pistols there's no reason to give civilian consumers a product that always works 100% regardless of model or batch. I am so sick and tired of seeing promising new 1911 models introduced, then seeing the company become complacent or run into difficulties a few years later. Those of you who like the new S&W SW1911 or the upcoming SIG GSR probably should buy them really soon, before they too begin to get lazy and put out reduced-quality product like the others have done.
 
davidtdm,

I've read the posts where folks say the etching is off or bad. I just don't se it. Anyway, to me that is all cosmetic.

Most of my complaints are about cosmetics, but I think when you're paying $700 to $1000 or more for a gun, there darn well better not be any cosmetic complaints. In regards to the logo on the slide: if Kimber doesn't want to keep a sharp tool on the cutter, they should go to rollmarking...
 
To be honest I have never owned a .45 ACP and am definately getting one very shortly and Kimber has been a strong contender.

I've read split ideas here and I'm not sure if the negative comments have swayed me yet. That remains to be seen.

But, I'm wondering if anyone has any feed-back on the 'new' Sig 1911 styled .45?

I can't find out much, if anything, about it.
 
NavajoNPaleFace,

Kimber still makes plenty of fine guns; I'm just nitpicking over a lot of cosmetic goofs and/or cheapy shortcuts I've seen lately. Yeah, four or five of the batch we just got in were unsat in some cosmetic details, but that still leaves four or five more that were fine.

Bear in mind that I get het up over stuff that may not bother other people. Most folks don't notice (or care about) sloppy markings, an extractor that's not flush with the rear of the slide, iffy fitting on the beavertail, plastic mainspring housings, et cetera, but this is stuff that I look at when a manufacturer positions itself as the maker of 'elite' production-line 1911s with commensurately elite price tags. :uhoh:
 
a friend has a new kimber series II. it is awesome. extremely accurate! it is one of the best looking out of the box 1911s i have ever laid eyes on. fit and finish are virtually perfect. never has failed with quality ammo. he has 'bout 2000 rounds in it in about 4 months. my only complaint is, that it is an adventure to take down. the folks at the factory failed to give him one of the little take down things for the recoil spring guide assembly. i had to make him one. i guess i am spoiled by more modern pistols and their ease of dissassembly.
 
i guess i am spoiled by more modern pistols and their ease of dissassembly.

Actually, 1911s that need a bushing wrench to take down are a MODERN innovation. The original 1911 design could be detail stripped (not just field stripped) using only its own parts as tools. :)
 
The engraved script "Kimber" logo on the slides of most of the guns looks wretched
Maybe I'm just not picky enough but it looks fine to me.
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We have a used Series II Custom Classic on the shelf on which the "dot matrix" serial number and maker's name on the frame looks like it was done by a drunk with a home electric pen kit. No two letters are the same size, nor are they on remotely parallel horizontal lines.
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Having read all of the complaints, especially from Tamara, I just went to the safe to look at the Kimber Eclipse Target that I got new just a few weeks back. I compared it to the other, older series I Kimbers that have many more rounds through them.

Serial number seems straight enough. Extractor is flush with the end of the slide. No funky tool markings on the logo (although my close-up vision isn't the greatest).

But I did notice something that isn't present on my other two Kimbers: there's a few scratches on the frame above the thumb safety. Apparently there isn't enough clearance and it's making contact with the frame when moved up.

Now I won't be able to sleep, while I figure out how to get Kimber to fix that.

Thanks a lot. ;)
 
MaterDei,

Thank you for the pictures to back me up. :)

If I can remember to drag my camera to work tomorrow, I'll snap pics of ones that look even worse! :eek:
 
Sven,

FWIW, I've seen cracked slides from Kimber, Colt, Springfield, Glock, SIG, HK, Beretta, et cetera... Beware the statistics of small numbers. ;)
 
The Pics

My purpose for posting the pics was to give us a frame of reference. Clearly some feel that they show poor QC on Kimber's part. Others seem to disagree. Please feel free to speak your minds, I have real kids that I wouldn't appreciate you all calling ugly but I'm not that attached to my guns so speak freely.

Tamara, what is it you see in the pics that would indicate poor QC or workmanship? Inquiring minds want to know. When I look at them I don't see any problems. Your firearm tastes are clearly more discriminating than mine.

FWIW, and I know this is worth a lot to all of us, it has always gone 'bang' when I've pulled the trigger. Hopefully any lack of quality is related only to the gun's appearance.

MaterDei
 
Duly noted. Still waiting for that first report of a cracked Valtro slide. Lower numbers, lower chance, I guess, right?
 
I just got my first Kimber last month, a stainless Gold Match II, and I gotta say I've had no problems with it. I really like the finish (polished on the sides, matte on the top and bottom..) and I've noticed no cosmetic or functional problems. The dot matrix serial number does bug me a bit, but not enough to matter.

The gun was extremely tight when I got it, but it has never had a FTF or anything of that sort; I've only put about 400 rounds through it, though. Accurate as heck. I'd shoot it more, but I can't have it here at school.. :(
 
Well folks, if we're down to nit-picking the markings... perhaps there's little enough else to really be concerned about?

Seems I remember Colt went thru the same thing, both with a different "series" and different methods sof applying markings.
 
Thanks for the link, Sean. Looks like Clark Custom Guns wasn't exaggerating about the amount of work they get dealing with the problem with the Series II firing-pin safety...
 
Of course that thread runs from 1/10/02 to 10/19/03 and that's all they came up with (I know, I know, one problem is one too many.)

Long live the pre-series-II guns.

John
 
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