Plus they are gorgeous and awesome. I have to create a "P7 mutual will pact" with my friend in case either of us keels over the other will receive the cool firearms!
What's up with P7 prices?
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BLACKHAWKNJ
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How long have they been out of production ?
someguy2800
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I had a Wather CCP that also uses that same gas delay system. Clever as it was, I couldn’t hit a darn thing with it and the takedown was about the most confounding thing I’ve ever seen so I moved it on.
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HK discontinued the P7 in 2008.
Unless I completely missed the point of Economics 101, two things can cause the price to rise on a supply vs demand graph.
If supply stays the same or decreases while demand increases, then so must the price increase.
If supply decreases while demand stays the same, then so must the price increase
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The Steyr GB uses a broadly similiar system too, another gun I WILL have someday.
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someguy2800
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The Steyr GB uses a broadly similiar system too, another gun I WILL have someday.
Never heard of it, I had to look it up.
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Check out the Rogak too. It was a horrible unlicensed stainless steel copy of the GB made in Chicago- probably one of the worst, most unsafe pistols ever.
I havent seen a GB in quite a while, but there is a fella who has been bringing a Rogak to a local show for a couple years. I would buy it for the sheer bizarre hilarity of it, but not for $900!
I've been following this development too. Rationally speaking the prices are insane, but as always, it's the buyers' choice and if you really want something, no-one can say anything about it.
Mine used to be my CCW pistol of choice. An M8 I bought in 1990, and the only modification has been Meprolight sights. The finish is pretty amazing, there's virtually no holster wear and what's there is only because I used a suede IWB clip holster before moving on to Vega (FB2) with a spare mag pouch. All in all it's one of my all-time favorites and once you get used to the squeeze cocking, you wonder why it never caught on with other manufacturers.
At one point I thought about getting another, M13, but at current prices I don't see the point anymore.
Mine used to be my CCW pistol of choice. An M8 I bought in 1990, and the only modification has been Meprolight sights. The finish is pretty amazing, there's virtually no holster wear and what's there is only because I used a suede IWB clip holster before moving on to Vega (FB2) with a spare mag pouch. All in all it's one of my all-time favorites and once you get used to the squeeze cocking, you wonder why it never caught on with other manufacturers.
At one point I thought about getting another, M13, but at current prices I don't see the point anymore.
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The M13s are too chunky for me- the same fella who I got my PSP from had minty nickel M13 for sale as well. IIRC he was asking $3200 at the time, with 2 mags and box.
Made mine seem like a bargain, lol.
Made mine seem like a bargain, lol.
I paid $1000-ish for mine brand new and at the time I thought it was expensive. Glocks were much cheaper but fairly new and unproven at the time, and the first Die Hard movie had come out a couple of years earlier so I thought what the heck.
I have owned my HK P7M8 since 1985 and never had a jam, failure to feed, stove pipe, failure to eject or anything like that, and I've used all sorts of crazy ammo in it.
Shot from out of the box with NEVER a single problem.
NEVER
Not one problem.
The magazine release is the easiest I've ever used.
It's completely ambidextrous for firing.
I also think the sqeeze-cocking mechanism is the most ingenious thing ever invented for a handgun, BASICALLY giving my P7M8 a smooth single-action trigger pull. The trigger is great - I never had to deal with DA/SA, crummy striker fired trigger feel or long-pull DOA trigger.
It was the best answer ever for the safety debate. I didn't worry about having to remember to take the manual safety off, I didn't have to worry about the safety accidentally being flipped on, I didn't have to worry about it being cocked on a live round.
At the time I think it was the smallest 9mm out there from a major manufacturer. It is small enough that I can carry it concealed but it's fixed poly barrel and overall high quality made it a very accurate pistol so I'm not sacrificing anything for that compactness.
I've loved this pistol from the very start. I wish now that I had purchased 6 of them, one to carry, one to keep by my bed, one to keep in my car, one to take to the range, one to just have in the safe so I could say to myself "HK P7M8 NIB NEVER fired - worth $2975 he he he he" :and one to put under glass so I could gaze fondly at it's beauty from time to time.
Shot from out of the box with NEVER a single problem.
NEVER
Not one problem.
The magazine release is the easiest I've ever used.
It's completely ambidextrous for firing.
I also think the sqeeze-cocking mechanism is the most ingenious thing ever invented for a handgun, BASICALLY giving my P7M8 a smooth single-action trigger pull. The trigger is great - I never had to deal with DA/SA, crummy striker fired trigger feel or long-pull DOA trigger.
It was the best answer ever for the safety debate. I didn't worry about having to remember to take the manual safety off, I didn't have to worry about the safety accidentally being flipped on, I didn't have to worry about it being cocked on a live round.
At the time I think it was the smallest 9mm out there from a major manufacturer. It is small enough that I can carry it concealed but it's fixed poly barrel and overall high quality made it a very accurate pistol so I'm not sacrificing anything for that compactness.
I've loved this pistol from the very start. I wish now that I had purchased 6 of them, one to carry, one to keep by my bed, one to keep in my car, one to take to the range, one to just have in the safe so I could say to myself "HK P7M8 NIB NEVER fired - worth $2975 he he he he" :and one to put under glass so I could gaze fondly at it's beauty from time to time.
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I bought one of these at Gander Mountain, in 2010, I believe. They had a bunch of the police trade in's. They were priced at $499. They had their original boxes, extra magazine, takedown tool, carbon scraper, brush and manual. I looked over several and picked what I thought was the best one. I wish now, I had bought all I could have afforded. They are one of the most unique pistols ever made. They were never cheap, and I didn't understand, really why they were selling so cheap, then. Now, they are priced and selling way high. It's unreal, most you see on auctions, have bids. One thing for sure, the $500 HK P7s will never be again.
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I personally don’t care for them aesthetically.
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If those mythical alien overlords ever show up
and say “you can only have ONE 9x19mm pistol and we will provide it!” I would want my stolen PSP and five magazines I imported in 1982.
I did have an issue…. look at that date…. no internet, dang few folks with P7, so I had shot a lot of lead through the gun…. and a teenie bit of that lead built up in gas cylinder.
The tools in the box in 1981 were for removing the firing mechanism and a brush for the barrel …. there was no scraper for that gas cylinder.
A cheap flathead screw driver did the job and a worn out bore brush with a “Lead out” cloth wrapped about it did the finish work.
Early GEnie Round tables and eventually gun rags began to complain that the PSP would burn a shooter’s finger if they shot 47 magazines of plusP through it fast a a machine gunner doing final protective fire against the 43 Mongolian Horde
I will say it got a bit warm but never saw the point of games where more than two or three mag changes where needed.
Can you imagine explaining to a Grand Jury why you needed to shoot an entire box of ammo in a defense shooting?
I carried that P7 in Europe a bit… and figured that if I needed it militarily that but the times I changed magazines two times that there should have been plenty of long guns laying about.
Out of concealment up very close it pointed very well. My wife did Ayoob’s LFI 1 class with it and it did great. I messed around with steel and trash from 50 to 100 yards with it and it did fantastic.
It concealed well, it handled well, it shot well.
What was not to like?
There are not any being made.
They are like my Ford Falcon Futura Sport Coupe…. dang neat and few made in the first place (and one fewer since we did two rolls and a flip through the median and into the oncoming lanes) a now missing piece of my youth.
A P7 did not save Hans Grubber but…
Yippee-ki-yay……
kBob
and say “you can only have ONE 9x19mm pistol and we will provide it!” I would want my stolen PSP and five magazines I imported in 1982.
I did have an issue…. look at that date…. no internet, dang few folks with P7, so I had shot a lot of lead through the gun…. and a teenie bit of that lead built up in gas cylinder.
The tools in the box in 1981 were for removing the firing mechanism and a brush for the barrel …. there was no scraper for that gas cylinder.
A cheap flathead screw driver did the job and a worn out bore brush with a “Lead out” cloth wrapped about it did the finish work.
Early GEnie Round tables and eventually gun rags began to complain that the PSP would burn a shooter’s finger if they shot 47 magazines of plusP through it fast a a machine gunner doing final protective fire against the 43 Mongolian Horde
I will say it got a bit warm but never saw the point of games where more than two or three mag changes where needed.
Can you imagine explaining to a Grand Jury why you needed to shoot an entire box of ammo in a defense shooting?
I carried that P7 in Europe a bit… and figured that if I needed it militarily that but the times I changed magazines two times that there should have been plenty of long guns laying about.
Out of concealment up very close it pointed very well. My wife did Ayoob’s LFI 1 class with it and it did great. I messed around with steel and trash from 50 to 100 yards with it and it did fantastic.
It concealed well, it handled well, it shot well.
What was not to like?
There are not any being made.
They are like my Ford Falcon Futura Sport Coupe…. dang neat and few made in the first place (and one fewer since we did two rolls and a flip through the median and into the oncoming lanes) a now missing piece of my youth.
A P7 did not save Hans Grubber but…
Yippee-ki-yay……
kBob
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oh as long as we are talking price mine was basically $350 at the exchange rate of DM to $
in Early 1981 same as a CZ75 ( no B) which I also picked up.
As a returning service man I imported with out a tariff.
I wish I had thought to ask at the Hessan pice academy if they had surplus P7 mags. they were across the street from my office. Some of the sraff there called me “Herr Doktor Lieutenant” though I explaned repetedly that a 4 year degree in Crim even from the best school of Criminology in the world did not earn me the middle title.
They had just gone along with the Hessan state decision to go with the P5 and I heard rumors they were selling Walther PP .32 acp mags. There had been P7 test guns.
I thought of the three test guns that the P5 was the worst….. but above my pay grade and not my country.
I would have (actually did) picked the P7 over the SiG and to me the SiG was head and shoulders above the P5…. honestly I wondered why the German States that liked the P5 (it was the cheapest in bulk) did not just grab up all the P1 (P38) that were floating about, even cheaper if that was their criteria.
I bought an Austrian Police P1 refurbished with flap holster, & two mags $69 at the Graff training Area Rod and gun during the German States’ testing. Wish I still had it, too.
Wore the holster on my trouser belt under BDU blouse a bit but it was uncomfortable when “flying a desk”, or actually flying in an OH 58, or even crawling in and out of a jeep. It was incredibly slow to bring into action from there. When I had to drop my blouse for some chore the big black holster was very noticable and some Major ( are you required to keep your sense of humor in cold storage some place while you hold that rank?) always wanted me to explain it.
The P7 did a fine job and was easier to conceal and less lumpy.
-kBob
in Early 1981 same as a CZ75 ( no B) which I also picked up.
As a returning service man I imported with out a tariff.
I wish I had thought to ask at the Hessan pice academy if they had surplus P7 mags. they were across the street from my office. Some of the sraff there called me “Herr Doktor Lieutenant” though I explaned repetedly that a 4 year degree in Crim even from the best school of Criminology in the world did not earn me the middle title.
They had just gone along with the Hessan state decision to go with the P5 and I heard rumors they were selling Walther PP .32 acp mags. There had been P7 test guns.
I thought of the three test guns that the P5 was the worst….. but above my pay grade and not my country.
I would have (actually did) picked the P7 over the SiG and to me the SiG was head and shoulders above the P5…. honestly I wondered why the German States that liked the P5 (it was the cheapest in bulk) did not just grab up all the P1 (P38) that were floating about, even cheaper if that was their criteria.
I bought an Austrian Police P1 refurbished with flap holster, & two mags $69 at the Graff training Area Rod and gun during the German States’ testing. Wish I still had it, too.
Wore the holster on my trouser belt under BDU blouse a bit but it was uncomfortable when “flying a desk”, or actually flying in an OH 58, or even crawling in and out of a jeep. It was incredibly slow to bring into action from there. When I had to drop my blouse for some chore the big black holster was very noticable and some Major ( are you required to keep your sense of humor in cold storage some place while you hold that rank?) always wanted me to explain it.
The P7 did a fine job and was easier to conceal and less lumpy.
-kBob
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I remember passing on one, NIB. About 6 years ago.
I made a 2,000$ mistake then and there.
They're just not my thing, and I tend to only buy what I personally like to shoot.
Oops!
I made a 2,000$ mistake then and there.
They're just not my thing, and I tend to only buy what I personally like to shoot.
Oops!
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I always thought if you were planning on carrying one, you basically needed to dedicate yourself to it. If youre one to be a "gun of the day" type guy, its not a gun that you want in the rotation.
Its not that the cocking lever is difficult to work, but its something that you do need to have ingrained into your brain, so its "always" done as you grip the gun, and maintained while shooting. A number of people I let shoot mine, seemed to have difficulty with the last part, and would let the gun uncock after each round for some reason.
They are great guns, but they are different enough from most of the others, that you really need to be on top of them.
Its not that the cocking lever is difficult to work, but its something that you do need to have ingrained into your brain, so its "always" done as you grip the gun, and maintained while shooting. A number of people I let shoot mine, seemed to have difficulty with the last part, and would let the gun uncock after each round for some reason.
They are great guns, but they are different enough from most of the others, that you really need to be on top of them.
I’ve never understood how you couldn’t activate the squeeze cocker when you draw one. You hold a gun you are going to fire firmly, and 12 pounds of force isn’t outrageous. Once cocked, couple of pounds of force is all it takes to keep it cocked. Why would someone let go of the front strap of a pistol while firing it?
Anyways, it looks a little odd at first, but it is really ergonomic, simple to operate, controllable and accurate with with a good trigger. I got a PSP back when they were $500. I don’t think I’d buy one at today’s prices.
Anyways, it looks a little odd at first, but it is really ergonomic, simple to operate, controllable and accurate with with a good trigger. I got a PSP back when they were $500. I don’t think I’d buy one at today’s prices.
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That was the point. Draw the pistol, and it’s ready to fire. Like a revolver.
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As long as you cock it.
It wasnt always intuitive to some people, especially those unfamiliar with them.
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