What's your BOB gun?

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Dave R

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This may have been done to death but....

You have a Bug Out Bag. Minimalist supplies. What gun(s) go with it?

For me, an AK (mine's in .223) and my Hi-Power pistol. No shotgun. Ammo is too heavy for too few rounds. Other longarms are not as versatile. They can beat it in some areas--boltgun will beat it for range and accuracy, for example--but it does so many things so well. I can hit man-size targets at 200-300 yards with it consistently. It's short, light and handy. And it has "riot control" firepower. And it will not fail to fire when needed.

The Hi-Power is also 3rd world reliable, has good capacity and good punch. Might take the P-32 as BUG, too.

On replies, I'd prefer you choose from what you have now. If you don't "have now", state what you would buy as a "BOB-gun".
 
My Yugo SKS. Absolutely hard-core reliable. Even more than the AK.
For the handgun, it has to be the Glock 30.
 
The ultimate would be a takeodwn .22 (armalite AR-7 or Marlin Papoose) and 5,000 rounds of ammo :D) If it really hits the fan, you've gotta think aobut what can be fed for the next 20+ years...

If I wasn't in Occupied Territory, I'd buy and bring an AR-15. Will kill just about anything I'll need it to kill, and I can carry a bunch of ammo (though not as much as .22LR!) Has the nice "Go ???? with the guys down the street with sticks instead" look too.

My Glock G34 will be coming with as well.


If I have enough time, my Remington 7400 .30-06 will be along for the ride.

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My AR-180B - it only weighs 7.3 pounds with a full mag so I will be more able to carry a few rounds of ammo. Sidearm would be a BHP, low weight, reliability and high capacity compared to my .45's.
 
In terms of simple pragmatics, it bears pondering that unless one is part of a large and well-armed force, shooting at anything that can shoot back (especially a group of anythings that can shoot back) is a risky proposition of the highest order. Armed with anything from a Ruger #1 to an NFA-registered AR, if you're around and in sight when the other group of individuals realize that you're there, the John Woo style gunfighting tool is simply a means to affect how many of them you can take with you. If that is the goal, go-booms are far more effective than any go-bang and much more inexpensive to fabricate and maintain. The rifle is very much an offensive weapon. If any sort of SHTF scenario discussed here (or elsewhere) were to actually take place, the role (with particular focus on its abilities and shortcomings) of an offensive weapon should be examined very closely if you're not going to be part of a large and well-armed force. Things that an entry team or military unit can do (e.g., suppressive fire) may be flat-out unsafe for an individual. One would be better served (though perhaps still not well-served) by observing the habits of one and two man units as opposed to the habits of divisions and platoons.

I've lost count of how many times I've bested a superior number of cardboard foes in IPSC and IDPA. I've also lost count of how many times I've bested a superior number of real foes with a fake sword. I recall vividly, however, the first time I did not succeed in doing so. I remember thinking "Well, so, I gues I'm dead" the first time I "died" in a field melee. I was stabbed in the back. The second time I died, I was shot in the back with an arrow. The third time I died was on the end of a better swordsman's weapon. As some say, "they can miss all day, you can only miss once." The weapons have changed, the tactics have even changed (though not as much as some would think), but the reality as it exists to the individual has very much stayed the same. Engagements against a foe of superior numbers cannot be won without some major force multipliers. An AR/AK/FAL/etc does not count. A gun emplacement or go-boom does. Luck/Fortune/Chance are also valid in this regard, but are too fickle for my taste.

The advantageous nature of the semi-automatic rifle is quite diminished in the hands of an individual. Riot control? Worked in LA, but only because the shopkeepers in question had the high-ground. From a rooftop, having enough bullets is a concern. Being able to fire them as quickly as one can wiggle their trigger finger isn't. Had those looters been armed with rifles instead of rocks and other blunt instruments, I assert that the outcome would have been much different.

Attacking a larger, well-armed group with a rifle of any kind, be it a single-shot or fully-automatic, is tantamount to suicide. The automatic will increase the number of them that you can take with you, but one, five or fifty doesn't change the outcome. You died. Luck can pull you though, but don't count on it..

That said, my rifle of choice would very much be semi-automatic. Not because it's a semi-auto, but because it's what I'd deem "enough" rifle. It happens to be semi-automatic. That very same M1 Garand brought my uncle home. I hope it'd do the same for me.
 
pwrtool45: Well stated.

Current tools: M1A, 1911 and P-32 back up
Wish list: Scoped bolt action in long range caliber
Dream tool: silenced .22LR for food and limited social engagements
 
LA Riots

pwrtool45, I agree/disagree with you on riots.

Against a large force of well-armed foes, a semi might get you killed by tempting you to shoot too much and move too little.

OTOH, against a large group of poorly-armed foes, a semi with large magazine has enough firepower to "turn" a mob. That's what I mean by riot control.

In a SHTF situation, both scenarios (well armed mob, i.e. UN, and poorly-armed mob, i.e. panicking crowd) are possible. I think the poorly armed scenario is likelier, or at least likelier to happen first.

So the semi will keep you alive, at least through round 1.
 
No time..out the door...M1A-five mags-four bands+BHP-five mags.
A few minutes to spare..add M70..same ammo....and my go to S&W 629.
Time to load the truck..add...two..223s....Rem 870...two ....22s.....Im ready as I can be........plus my BOB.
 
Ideally: A Henry Repeating Arms "US Survival" .22lr. Semi-automatic, comes apart and stores in the butt. I would also have a .22lr pistol, as well as my 10mm if I had time to grab it. But the other two would be in the pack 24/7.


Realistically (and as I have no BOB): my shotgun, or if SHTF after I have my AK, then my AK and the 10mm.
 
Im still trying to function test some magazines for my ar, so until thats done my 870 would be my grab and go gun. Its not first choice due to the heavier ammo, but it will remain my grab and go gun until I deem I have enough magazines reliable enough for my ar. I will be grabbing some extra magazines for whatever carry gun Im wearing that day, most likely my xd-9.
 
For a BOB I will use my 1894c and either a S&W 586 or 13, The capability of using the same ammo, that is fairly powerful is what I look for. If I run out of ammo I can still reload. My portable reloading kit fits into my collection of BOB stuff. I also believe that it being a "hunting type" of rifle will get me searched quite readily but not shot like I probably would be if I was caught while armed to the teeth with a "Military style" weapon.
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.22 revolver (IJ Taget .22 sealed 8) and CZ 75 P-01. As for long guns I have a Yugo SKS, and for my wife the Nylon 66.

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Currently the BOB has ammo for both the 40 Witness's,(mine and wifes'), and a bandoleer of 12 guage ammo for the Winchester 1200, plus a few other rounds in another pocket, even a box of 22 if I find/get/buy one.
The shotgun is all I have in a long gun, but I will hopefully be getting either a Saiga or Yugo SKS soon, or Good Lord willin' and the tax return is fine, both! Then I'll start stashing extras....:cool:
Big question is, where to go? The interstate will be jammed, frontage road snarled, backstreets flooded, all depending on the situation. Natural disaster is far more likely than terrorism or Nazi style takeover. I have a rail line near me, so some of my scenarios revolve around haz mat cargo spilling from a tanker car. Then we have to worry about going to a shelter,(shelters do not allow firearms, alcohol or pets.), or making plans with family and friends ahead of time, or like I am doing, seeing if I can move my house elsewhere! Sometimes, a mobile home has advantages....
If the UN invades through Mexico, a growing possibility, unfortunately, then I will defend my state as best I can, with what I have, while trying to get my family out.
 
The only weapon that actually resides in my BOB is a Kel-Tec Sub 2000. The bag is intended to get me home in a urban situation, and the Kel-Tec is as discrete as a long arm can be. The mags also function in my SA XD-9.

If I were bugging out long term, I have more powerful, robust long arms to grab as I leave the house. First choice would be a M1A.

Pwrtool, I agree with you on most of your points, but I think you may be discounting a long arm as a 'victim de-selection tool'. The clear ability to defend ones self may well be enough to cause mutant zombie bikers to look for an easier target.

Edited 'cause I caint speel.
 
Well I would always have more than one within reach so to speak, but I do have one real interesting BOB type gun.

One firearm I would definitely take is the Medusa. For those not familiar it's a revolver that can fire any approx .355 inch round, this includes .380, 9mm, .38Special, .357Magnum, .38Super, 9x23, and a host of others.

http://www.cadco.com/firearms/pri.htm
 
armoredman

Well, *I* have a kickass sound system in my BOB, so I get some Morbid Angel.

Actually, I probably don't need a firearm....


perfessr

I *still* love that pic. The way ordnance was intended. Blue steel and wood stocks.


Dave R

Yeah, the semi-auto rifle is not without utility, don't get met wrong. I just think its role should be pondered a great deal. Most SHTF threadgoers are very quick to snatch up their "assault" rifle of choice, but many have trouble naming realistic engagements where it would be a logical choice. Turning the tide (not a bad term....) can be one of them, but then I'm inclined to believe that the situation is more or less boolean. Either the first one (or two) take mortal wounds and the others are dissuaded or the first one or two (or, in the case of the semi-auto rifle, the first twenty) take mortal wounds and the shooter dies from being swarmed by the rest of them. Of course, the total audience size is difficult to predict, but it's best to assume the worst. A "small" group of five or ten unarmed rioters aren't going to be as tenacious as a group of fifty. The former would be more likely the fall under the first condtion (flee), whereas the latter would be more likely to fall under the second (swarm).

I think the biggest advantage of the semi-auto rifle is that most of them carry their ammunition in convienient packages. Given a disciplined trigger fingers, three 30-round magazines take up very little space and can last quite a while. As much as I like bolt guns or lever actions, it's much easier to keep 20 rounds handy for a FAL than a model 70 or model 94.
 
Mine would be my Armalite AR-180B(or my Bushy Superlight after I buy one) and at least two of my P99's, if not all three(it's good to have spare parts if needed). Both are common calibers, so I should be able to find ammo(P99's are all 9mm).
 
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