When someone starts a thread asking "what is the best bullet?"...

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1stmarine said:
Paper only? I think the 50 cal will have not problem stopping a truck engine with one or two shots.

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here knock yourselfs out. It is just money! ...

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I'll keep that in mind in case Louisiana ever opens a season on trucks.
 
In my mind the only benefit to such questions is the variety of answers and the donation of knowledge to "pet loads" such questions yield. In my case I have three "go to" weapons - a 38 Super, a 32-20 and a .303 Brit. Hearing the advantages of other more energetic rounds may be a benefit in the future. And in the end... Isn't that why we are all here?
 
We do repeat ourselves a lot on THR, but there are some fundamental axioms in the gun world that warrant repeating to ensure that new THR members and new shooters hear them. It's how I learned. I don't fret over a lot of what I used to. there are some folks though who just parrot things in the gun world though too, and it can get a bit irritating. Typically, if the word "best" and a question mark is in the thread title, I no longer participate.

I think there is a general frugalness to a lot of new shooters also. They don't want to spend a lot of money if they don't have to. So spending a dollar or more per round can seem a little ridiculous. Thus, online interweb research ensues.

Folks answering a question that wasn't asked gets annoying, but some relevant topics can get teased out by doing so.

I think my biggest pet peeve has to be "I'm considering this gun, or that gun, because they both seem to suit me well." Neither gun is a Glock. What does someone invariably post? "You should get a Glock."

When the above items really start to irritate me, it means I'm here too much, and it's time for a break.
 
I look at it this way, this is a gun forum, we're going to talk about guns and ammo. Why this is a surprise puzzles me. I've learned quite a bit about ammo from threads about what is the best ammo.
 
tarosean said:
Individuality....

There is no "best of" anything, period.. Its all subjective to the end user....
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No, it isn't. There is a lot of data about the best SD ammo or accuracy ammo.

"Subjective" is asking what color you should paint your baby's room.
 
RX-79G said:
There is a lot of data about the best SD ammo or accuracy ammo.
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Yet that is largely dependent on individual guns (Barrel Length, Rifling, Lock time, etc. etc. etc) at lot changes from a 2" barrel to a 6" one, etc.
 
danez71 said:
Are you seriously questioning rifling?
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Are you suggesting that the difference in rifling from two 9mm barrels of the same length is going to change the relative effectiveness of two different SD loads?
 
9mm barrel length will have an impact on effectiveness of that said 9mm bullet, and rifling/twist will have an impact on rifle effectiveness of said bullet some folks are talking about rifle as well as pistol in this topic,
 
RX-79G said:
Are you suggesting that the difference in rifling from two 9mm barrels of the same length is going to change the relative effectiveness of two different SD loads?
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Since when was this thread only about 9mm?

Twist rates affect accuracy regardless of caliber.


But to answer your question, S&W seemed to think so and changed the rifling in their 9mm M&Ps.
 
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danez71 said:
Since when was this thread only about 9mm?

Twist rates affect accuracy regardless of caliber.


But to answer your question, S&W seemed to think so and changed the rifling in their 9mm M&Ps.
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S&W changed the twist to try and rectify the abysmal accuracy of some of their guns, and it didn't work. Any 9mm pistol barrel you can find will shoot a 1" group at 25 yards from a fixture - even if it isn't rifled at all. That is why no one normally even talks about twist rates on combat handguns - it is a non-issue.

Frankly, none of these details have any bearing on the thread topic - which is actually addressing the question asked in a thread OP. If someone asks for an accurate .308 load, the fact that they didn't list their twist rate doesn't mean that the best answer is "practice is more important". An on-topic answer would be "blah blah for 1:10 and blah blah blah for 1:14".

If the best SD 9mm load comes up, the answer isn't "shot placement", it is "these two have the highest rating for barrels over 3.5", and look at these for subcompacts."

Or, you can ask if there is something more specific necessary. However, if someone is really looking for a match load, they will probably tell you up front about the weapon. And if it is for SD pistol ammo, the ONLY factor that really matters is if the barrel is really short. There are no loads that work great, but only under 5" barrels, and there are no loads that don't start to work right until 5". The best loads are going to be from X barrel length on up.
 
these threads seem to never go anywhere never examples and results they seem to go in circles like the chicken or egg question.
 
RX-79G said:
S&W changed the twist to try and rectify the abysmal accuracy of some of their guns, and it didn't work. Any 9mm pistol barrel you can find will shoot a 1" group at 25 yards from a fixture - even if it isn't rifled at all. That is why no one normally even talks about twist rates on combat handguns - it is a non-issue.

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So full of contradiction.

Ok... so.... any 9mm barrel will 1" @ 25 yrds, including unrifled barrels.... but the M&Ps were so bad that they changed the rifling to make it better... but it still didn't work.

Riiiight, that makes complete sense. :confused:



The rest of your posts are like a repeat of the last several circular arguements where you're wrong... but not really, and its really that everyone else is wrong and no one is able to keep focused long enough understand your self styled intellect and high IQ.

Good luck with that :thumbup:
 
danez71 said:
So full of contradiction.

Ok... so.... any 9mm barrel will 1" @ 25 yrds, including unrifled barrels.... but the M&Ps were so bad that they changed the rifling to make it better... but it still didn't work.

Riiiight, that makes complete sense. :confused:



The rest of your posts are like a repeat of the last several circular arguements where you're wrong... but not really, and its really that everyone else is wrong and no one is able to keep focused long enough understand your self styled intellect and high IQ.

Good luck with that :thumbup:
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It makes perfect sense - the rifling wasn't the problem. The way the barrel fit in the slide and frame was the problem. The people at S&W were foolhardy enough to make a pistol that didn't work correctly and grasped at straws trying to fix it.

What doesn't make sense about that?
 
JO JO said:
these threads seem to never go anywhere never examples and results they seem to go in circles like the chicken or egg question.
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lol that is why I said some guys like to ask a silly question that can easily be answered using google then sit back eating popcorn while everyone else argues with each other. guys here should not fall for it. :D
 
RX-79G said:
It makes perfect sense - the rifling wasn't the problem. The way the barrel fit in the slide and frame was the problem. The people at S&W were foolhardy enough to make a pistol that didn't work correctly and grasped at straws trying to fix it.

What doesn't make sense about that?
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Nothing you've written changes the fact that rifling affects bullets.

Ill ask again, Why are you questioning rifling?
 
Balrog said:
There are a lot of threads started by folks asking what is the best performing bullet for some situation.

Inevitably, we always get folks chiming in with several things that we all know are too but are irrelevant to the very specific question asked, including some of the following:
1. Shot placement is more important than bullet selection
2. Reliability in the gun is more important than bullet selection.
3. Ballistics tests are imperfect and do not reflect real world performance.
4. Practice is more important than bullet selection.

I am sure there are others as well. Yes, these things are all true! We know shot placement is more important. But for 2 identical shot placements, bullet performance may make a difference. We all know a round that jams in your gun is worthless. No need to keep saying that. Ballistics tests are imperfect, but they are the best and most consistent test we have and at a minimum shot not be completely disregarded. Practice is important, but people can't practice 24/7, and during the times you aren't practicing, what is the harm of pondering the minute differences in bullet performance?

I think everyone knows the 4 things listed above are true. They don't need to be a part of every thread. Why can't people just answer the question or at least not participate?
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Probably because most folks that ask the question do not know those 4 basic facts. Anyone that truly believes there is one bullet that is the best at everything, knows very little.
 
salt&battery said:
lol that is why I said some guys like to ask a silly question that can easily be answered using google then sit back eating popcorn while everyone else argues with each other. guys here should not fall for it. :D
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I think you are right looks like the OP started this and hasn't posted any other input? Did the OP state his gun caliber and intended use ? For all we know maybe he is asking about an AR and coyotes?
perhaps the OP will return and add some input on this mess he started?
 
JO JO said:
I think you are right looks like the OP started this and hasn't posted any other input? Did the OP state his gun caliber and intended use ? For all we know maybe he is asking about an AR and coyotes?
perhaps the OP will return and add some input on this mess he started?
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I have been bouncer in bars for a while and been in and witnessed 100's of fights where either a girl or a guy would go back and forth to the 2 parties fanning the flames then when the fight broke out stand there grinning. Either an OP will desert the post or argue with the guys trying to give advice lol
 
I'll take False Paradigms for $200, Alex.

danez71 said:
Nothing you've written changes the fact that rifling affects bullets.

Ill ask again, Why are you questioning rifling?
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Because it rarely has anything to do with answering a "best bullet" question, and when it does that question can be raised. Your perception that the rifling on a combat pistol is an important criteria for ammo selection is demonstrably false, and in regards to the OP completely invalid.

JO JO said:
Did the OP state his gun caliber and intended use ? For all we know maybe he is asking about an AR and coyotes?
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The OP didn't ask anything about ammo. He asked why people can't read and understand a thread topic well enough to offer on-topic answers. And you've brought up coyotes to demonstrate the exact problem mentioned.

buck460XVR said:
Probably because most folks that ask the question do not know those 4 basic facts. Anyone that truly believes there is one bullet that is the best at everything, knows very little.
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How do you know what they know? Who ever asks for a bullet that is best for everything?
 
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