When will gun/ammo prices go down?
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BryanP
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Not happening.
Why would prices of "luxury goods" go down if we continue to buy them.
If you have been charting ammo prices for a number of years, it would surely open your eyes.
These commoditie's prices can be somewhat accurately forecasted by looking at: 1. the market trend 2. spec. traders interest in the raw materials used. 3. commercial traders int in these raw materials. 4. Price probability of these raw materials. 5. seasonal index, and finally 6. volatility
If you have been charting ammo prices for a number of years, it would surely open your eyes.
These commoditie's prices can be somewhat accurately forecasted by looking at: 1. the market trend 2. spec. traders interest in the raw materials used. 3. commercial traders int in these raw materials. 4. Price probability of these raw materials. 5. seasonal index, and finally 6. volatility
1 old 0311
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In the late 80's I bought a milled, folding stock, Chinese AK for $400. I also bought a case of 1200 rounds of 7.62x39 ammo for $99. Those days are LONG gone.
The price of firearms is likely to not come down. Something like the glock is in the neighborhood of $80. The markup along the way is due to everyone getting paid while getting it from point A to point B, and leaving margin for warranty repairs, advertising, lawsuits, and the like. Most of those costs aren't going to decrease.
Ammo on the other hand has had a meterials cost runup, and heavy supply and demand issues. Although companies are unlikely to willingly crank down prices when they see what we are willing to pay, there is still profit motive for someone to reduce margin and increase volume for a net profit increase. If we ever drop significantly below the 100%+ capacity mark for manufacturing again (say ending the war and restocking supplies comes to completion), then someone will likely blink first and start a correction. The question is if we willnotice given inflation.
Ammo on the other hand has had a meterials cost runup, and heavy supply and demand issues. Although companies are unlikely to willingly crank down prices when they see what we are willing to pay, there is still profit motive for someone to reduce margin and increase volume for a net profit increase. If we ever drop significantly below the 100%+ capacity mark for manufacturing again (say ending the war and restocking supplies comes to completion), then someone will likely blink first and start a correction. The question is if we willnotice given inflation.
ctdonath
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The issue is not that prices of products are going up, it's that the value of the dollar is going down.
guntotinguy
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I agree with the above statement of ...'not happening'.In fact,as it seems we can (possibly) expect a larger increase due to 'just about everything' thats happening in todays society.
rcmodel
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And China & other developing countries using up all the raw materials in the world faster then they can be dug up & melted down into copper & brass & lead.
What we got now will be the "good old days" everyone talks about in a few short years.
rcmodel
What we got now will be the "good old days" everyone talks about in a few short years.
rcmodel
SCKimberFan
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A post of this nature always appears during a thread on prices. While that may be the material cost of the firearm, you are not taking into consideration the salaries of the employess, as well as health care cost and other benefits. Then there is overhead, the cost of maintenance of their facilities and the cost of the facilities themselves. Then you pay the shipper, the wholesaler, the retail store. Then you have the margin for warranty, advertising, etc. So the cost of that so-called $80 Glock is probably much closer to $350. All of these are a part of the manufacturing and selling of the product.
If you'd actually check, you'd see the dollar is going UP and has been for a little while.
As for guns/ammo...no. They're never coming down. That's why guns are usually good investments...you can usually sell them for what you paid or more, 5 or 10 years later.
Prince Yamato
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The cheapest ammo that can be had is currently the Eastern European brands, so buy from them. In fact, S&B often makes ammo for Winchester, so cut the middle-man and just buy directly from the Czechs.
doc2rn
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The problem with ammo right now is lead did come down, but the companies bought in at higher prices and they dont want to take a loss.
Shipping is another problem, ammo is heavy! Diesel is expensive therefore you pay more.
Then there is supply and demand.
Shipping is another problem, ammo is heavy! Diesel is expensive therefore you pay more.
Then there is supply and demand.
doubleh
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.LOL Gun and ammo prices have always seemed high to me as long as I've been shooting. As my pay scale went up so did gun and ammo prices. Now that I've retired and my pay scale is going the other way it's really getting expensive.
Chipperman
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When I am elected President, I will put in a Firearm and Ammunition Subsidy.
Remember me on election day.
mikitsubizunizu
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Supply and demand, for ammo anyway, especially obscure or rare ammo. Nothing like selling a Dardick Tround for $50 a pop (I think) if you can find it. Now if someone had a warehouse full of .45 acp from 30 years ago that was in good shape, and they flooded the market with it, I would say ammo price for .45 would only go down a few dollars per 50. Even so, a few dollars can go a long way. Maybe another company will start making it, .45 acp for what 9mm goes for would be a dream come true.
jnyork
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When pigs fly!!
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Exactly
That's the root of it.
They will not reduce the prices as the dollar goes back up because their profit margins will increase at that time.
The only way to counter that bottom line mindset is to not consume what they offer, forcing them to lower the prices to make their product attractive / competitive.
That's a tough one right there...we're shooters after all.
The only way it will go down is when we have a strong dollar and a surplus (that won't happen when):
A surprising glimpse into the future: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7611287.stm
We need a surplus (lower demand).
Materials is another issue we should consider too.
The more crap we buy from china, the more materials they will require from us...to sell back to us...
Maybe it is just me, but isn't there usually a rush near an election cycle?
ebb and flow...
The dollar is being artificially shored right now.
Sure, it is up a little from it's ALL TIME LOW...
It is a shell game that has the potential for bad outcomes if they do not stop playing games.
That's the root of it.
They will not reduce the prices as the dollar goes back up because their profit margins will increase at that time.
The only way to counter that bottom line mindset is to not consume what they offer, forcing them to lower the prices to make their product attractive / competitive.
That's a tough one right there...we're shooters after all.
The only way it will go down is when we have a strong dollar and a surplus (that won't happen when):
- we are at war [using ammo],
- we are being the police of the world [using ammo],
- we are using all the ammo to expand our empire
- we are pumping all our money into a foreign economy because we devolved into a consumer nation
A surprising glimpse into the future: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7611287.stm
We need a surplus (lower demand).
Materials is another issue we should consider too.
The more crap we buy from china, the more materials they will require from us...to sell back to us...
Maybe it is just me, but isn't there usually a rush near an election cycle?
ebb and flow...
The dollar is being artificially shored right now.
Sure, it is up a little from it's ALL TIME LOW...
It is a shell game that has the potential for bad outcomes if they do not stop playing games.
JohnBT
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Ammo prices are still down, compared to 30 or 40 years ago. The last 10 years or so were an aberration - a departure from the normal.
Heck, for what you get guns are still relatively inexpensive compared to way back when.
John
Heck, for what you get guns are still relatively inexpensive compared to way back when.
John
MinnMooney
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Too many people on the face of this big earth!
When the people of the world stop producing so many friggin' little people who grow up to be consumers of non-self-sustaining metals and goods!
When the people of the world stop producing so many friggin' little people who grow up to be consumers of non-self-sustaining metals and goods!
DoubleTapDrew
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That would be a much better use of our tax dollars than the new outfits and more equpiment they just gave the TSA. Chipperman 2012!
Beyond the current supply/demand/dollar factors I think two things that would help is getting more domestic production companies starting up (competition can drop prices) and/or loosening import restrictions so we can easily get overseas ammo/firearms imported.
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