Which steel .380?

Which steel .380 is best?

  • CZ83

    Votes: 40 23.8%
  • PPK/S

    Votes: 41 24.4%
  • P232

    Votes: 56 33.3%
  • Other...show and tell us below.

    Votes: 31 18.5%

  • Total voters
    168
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"The Walther has a heavy trigger"
My PPK/S has the best SA trigger (by measurement) of any of my 12 .380's, you must have been referring to the DA trigger? The Walther is also my most accurate .380, the list includes KT, Colts, Llama, Stars, Guardian, Makarov(.380) and many I can't recall now. Also the mag release is where it should be. I can think of things to not like in the Walther but not the trigger.
 
I don't think the Sig is nearly as pretty as the CZ or the Walther (especially the CZ...yeeow)

I haven't shot any of the above, so I'm definitely no .380 expert, but I love the Beretta 85F I've got....although the recoil is a fair amount larger than what I expected.
 
My favorite .380 for size, fit and finish, and reliability. It's pretty much my go anywhere gun.
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My vote is for the original .380, the Colt Model 1903/8

Mine is from 1923 and a fine example of early 20th century craftsmanship. The hammer is a color case hardened and you never see it!

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PPK/S with Herrett cocobolo grips, took some fitting to get right, and a relief cut by the mag release to get quick access to release button
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Out of the choices, I would go with the CZ. I have a Llama IIIA and love it and would like to get a Colt or Star .380 (Star made slides for Colt .380's).
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Two choices

Lately I've become intrigued with pint-sized 1911s.
That started with my accidental discovery of a mint 1946 Llama .380 at Cabelas.
This thing is an almost perfect copy of a 1911A1.
So I found a 2nd one here:

http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=8332322.0

Waiting for it to come in. It's identical to the first one but it's "shooter" grade.

Next I'll be looking for a Colt Government .380.
 

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Once upon a time I became obsessed with the 380's, ended up with 13 flavors hanging around. The nicest by far was my Sphinx AT380. Fit and finish were just scary good. It didn't care what you fed it, went bang everytime. Trigger pull was incrediably smooth. Mom's toting it around now, I've tried several times to trade her somethng else for it, but so far, no go.
 
I'd go with the Sig P232. I just picked one up (stainless, Hogue grips, night sights) last week and test fired it yesterday. It's my newest addition to the carry guns. 150 rounds without a failure of any kind. Its single stack design gives it an exceptionally thin grip, which suits my frame and my carry method rather nicely. In addition, because the recoil spring slips directly over the barrel, you can get away with a full size grip on a shorter pistol - not that that's uniquely P232, just different from most other autos. I like the fact that it is so easily concealable and still manages to have a decent size grip and a barrel longer than three inches. Next time I take it shooting, I'll have a range report.
 
I would most definitely second that; the Remington Model 51 has one of the finest, most ergonomic grip shapes ever designed. I remember reading somewhere that John Pedersen, the gun's designer, spent nearly four years working on the Model 51, with the grip shape taking six months time alone, before he was satisfied with every aspect of it. It was interesting that he designed it around the .380 cartridge first; a .32 version followed two years later. With most other American manufacturers, it was the other way around.
Production of the .380 model easily surpassed the .32, with some 53,000 being built, compared to 22,000 for the .32.
 
I have a 232 and a CZ83 and it's a tough call. Both very accurate with smooth triggers. But I went with the Sig because sometimes the CZ is a little thick in the grip due to its double stack mag. I carry that in cooler seasons and the Sig in the warmer. Especially due to the stainless. It's in a High Noon Tuckable next to my skin under a tucked t-shirt. And no one is the wiser.
 
I'm surprised no one mentioned the Astra Constable. I bought one for $250.00 and its a keeper. The finish isn't perfect, it has a small amount of freckling on the right side of the slide. I prefer it the the Walther simply because it has a slide release. I have a PP in .32 and the trigger on the Astra is much smoother and lighter.
 
The reason why I mentioned the .380 Beretta is because my range has one for rental. And usually, the guns in their inventory are the most popular brand and have gone through the endurance test.
 
No one mentioned the Makarov?

I can't believe that no one has mentioned the Makarov in .380!

Talk about reliable, accurate and easy to strip!

No, I don't own one, but I do have and carry a 9x18 Mak, when dress won't allow a full size 1911.

:)
 
That Makarov is a nice design, too heavy and big for a .380 in my opinion. (Mine is a .380) The Star S model is nice, link locked barrel, also a bit large for a .380. The Llama .380 is just a 1911 that my wife left in my coat pocket when she washed it, the thing shrunk! I want to say, I really like that Llama, have two of them. Quality is not good, but the concept deserves another go by someone. Let's do it in stainless next time, and without the silly raised ventilated rib.
 
Llama questions

To HisSoldier.

I am curious what model Llama you have. Is it like the one pictured above - No rib, all steel, just like a 1911A1 except for the extractor (and the size)?

If so, what quality issues have you run into?
 
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