Who Makes DAO .45 pistols (not striker fired)?

I have the Kahr CW45 and CW9. They are striker fired but feel -- to me -- just like a medium weight revolver double action. They also have a moderately long reset (like a revolver) so you're not going to have an accidental double-tap. Their only downside is that they are single stack. I think the cw45 is 7 +1.
 
I like the Kahrs, for a small pistol. Want to get a K45 eventually.

Yeah, the Beretta PX4 is nice. FInd a used one. Decent pistol. Mine was very dependable. Sold it to my daughter's friend when she really needed one.

Those are probably both striker fired, though. I guess it has to be S&W or Sig if you want DAO hammer fired.
 
Tallball said:
I like the Kahrs, for a small pistol. Want to get a K45 eventually.

Yeah, the Beretta PX4 is nice. FInd a used one. Decent pistol. Mine was very dependable. Sold it to my daughter's friend when she really needed one.

Those are probably both striker fired, though. I guess it has to be S&W or Sig if you want DAO hammer fired.
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PX4 is hammer fired
 
Tallball said:
I like the Kahrs, for a small pistol. Want to get a K45 eventually.
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Fortunately or unfortunately, there's no such a thing as K45. Kahr have never done a metal frame gun in .45 ACP. My experience with P45 was an absolute dumpster fire, but I wish they made a T45. It would be a classy collector piece, with their trash magazines.
 
dickydalton said:
The one on the right is a Para Ordinance Carry LDA 45. Absolutely the smoothest and lightest DA trigger pull I have ever experenced. I still see them on GB at times.
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Nice pistol but it is not a true DAO: if the pistol goes click, the trigger is dead. Same for the Kahrs which are also striker fired so the OP doesn't want them.
I think the OP wants a true DAO.
 
5-SHOTS said:
Nice pistol but it is not a true DAO: if the pistol goes click, the trigger is dead. Same for the Kahrs which are also striker fired so the OP doesn't want them.
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I was idly wondering just what he wanted actually. Was the ban on striker fired guns a proxy to reject the fake DAO like Kahr? Taurus make a striker fired automatic with a real DAO, but only in 9 mm and .40. That would be an interesting option if it existed in .45.
 
zaitcev said:
I was idly wondering just what he wanted actually. Was the ban on striker fired guns a proxy to reject the fake DAO like Kahr? Taurus make a striker fired automatic with a real DAO, but only in 9 mm and .40. That would be an interesting option if it existed in .45.
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There are some DAO striker fired pistol or DA/SA striker fired pistols that can be probably easily converted to DAO but the OP seems to want a hammer fired DAO.
Probably as a .45ACP DAO striker fired pistol there is the S&W 99 .45, licensed "copy" of the Walther P99.
 
zaitcev said:
Fortunately or unfortunately, there's no such a thing as K45. Kahr have never done a metal frame gun in .45 ACP. My experience with P45 was an absolute dumpster fire, but I wish they made a T45. It would be a classy collector piece, with their trash magazines.
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Thanks for letting me know. It was an incorrect assumption on my part. I guess I'll have to settle for a K9. (Already have the 40.)

I didn't even remember that the PX4 was hammer-fired. I sold it to my friend's daughter a couple of years ago and apparently all of the details fled my mind. I was a wealth of disinformation yesterday. :)
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
The Cougar kinda morphed into the PX4 in Berettas lineup, using the same rotating barrel setup- though, strangely the subcompact reverts to a conventional shelf-locking system.
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I remember a conversation about this a few years ago.

If I recall correctly, which I may not be, it has something to do with the horizontal movement that occurs with the rotating barrel system compared to the tilting action on a conventionally locking barrel. As a former Cougar owner I recall that little bit of space resulted in a slightly shortened barrel. The assumption we all came to was that on the subcompact model it was likely resulting in a barrel length Beretta felt was too short to sell effectively, or short enough that it was resulting in poor velocity. So it seemed likely Beretta just chose a conventional system for that sized gun. But we never got verification. But that conversation was like 5 years ago or more at this point.
 
460Shooter said:
I remember a conversation about this a few years ago.

If I recall correctly, which I may not be, it has something to do with the horizontal movement that occurs with the rotating barrel system compared to the tilting action on a conventionally locking barrel. As a former Cougar owner I recall that little bit of space resulted in a slightly shortened barrel. The assumption we all came to was that on the subcompact model it was likely resulting in a barrel length Beretta felt was too short to sell effectively, or short enough that it was resulting in poor velocity. So it seemed likely Beretta just chose a conventional system for that sized gun. But we never got verification. But that conversation was like 5 years ago or more at this point.
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Yes, I think it has to do with the amount of orizontal travel necessary to unlock a rotary lockup barrel. I have a Grand Power and I can tell that the barrel stays locked to the slide for a much longer travel than my Walther P99 or my P226 or other tilting barrel pistols I own or I know.
I think that in a subcompact design you don't have that much space to waste or you have to go with a Boberg design.
 
5-SHOTS said:
Yes, I think it has to do with the amount of orizontal travel necessary to unlock a rotary lockup barrel. I have a Grand Power and I can tell that the barrel stays locked to the slide for a much longer travel than my Walther P99 or my P226 or other tilting barrel pistols I own or I know.
I think that in a subcompact design you don't have that much space to waste or you have to go with a Boberg design.
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Yep, exactly.
 
Many, many thanks to all who helped answer my question. It's much appreciated.

I've got a PX4 in 45 and am tempted to have it converted to DAO and I'm on the hunt for a 250 in that caliber and I could have a 220 in .45 also converted. I'll price the conversions out and keep hunting for a Smith or 250....it's not like I need another gun. (And if I don't do a conversion of the PX4 it's off to Langdon for a slick up job.)
 
I had a SIG P245 that was factory converted to DAO (not DAK), its trigger, and that of my P250, were the nicest DAO auto triggers Ive had. Both were sweet shooters too.

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When I bought the gun used, it came with the original parts in the box. I ended up putting them back in when I sold it, as it was just sitting in the case and not going anywhere until I did. Sold shortly after I replaced the parts and put it back up.

Just as a comparison as to size, here are a 220, the 245, and a 230. Up until fairly recently, SIG was always kind of funny about their sizing terms. "Compact" must have a different meaning in German. :p

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