Who owns a PCC

[chicharrones]

The Beretta CX Storm was a nice 9mm carbine, too bad they discontinued it.

Beretta seems to make them in batches. Mine is from a batch made in 2017, bought new in early 2018.

There was a new batch released in 2023 that has apparently sold out.

I'm not sure when Beretta will make another batch.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Marlin Camp Carbines in 9MM and 45 ACP, a Marlin 1894 in 44 Magnum, an 1894C in 357, both pre-crossbolt safety. The Camp Carbines have steel receivers, the 9MM takes S&W magazines, the 45 M1911. Looking for a Marlin 1894 in 41 Magnum (good luck !) and will order the Henrys in the New Year.

 

[silicosys4]

Marlin 1894 in 32-20,
Winchester 1873 in 32-20,
Aero survival rifle in 10mm w. .45 conversion kit,
Norinco 320 uzi clone in 9mm

 

[Nature Boy]

 

[Simple Shooter]

Springfield Saint Victor in 9mm. Very fun to shoot and I was very surprised at power and accuracy at 25-50 yard range. No 5.56 or 12 gage, but I would still not want to get hit with a few rounds at self defense distance.

 

[MikeInOr]

I resort to my Ruger PC Charger when I have too much 9mm ammo on hand. On a whim I put a binary trigger in it. It does a nice job of emptying out the Glock 33 round magazines pretty quickly. With the stock double taps are easy to keep tight together.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

I have 4 Hi Point carbines. 50 yard groups.

 

[bbqncigars]

Marlin 1894 (ca 1920) in 25-20 to go along with my flat top Ruger Blackhawk in the same cartridge.

 

[Nuclear]

CMMG delayed blowback in 45ACP, so much fun. Doesn’t cycle as fast as a 9mm PCC, but just as accurate and “thumps“ nicely. Quiet, too.

 

[nipprdog]

I resort to my Ruger PC Charger when I have too much 9mm ammo on hand. On a whim I put a binary trigger in it. It does a nice job of emptying out the Glock 33 round magazines pretty quickly. With the stock double taps are easy to keep tight together.

Nice SBR!

 

[CraigC]

What about the Stribog 10mm?

 

[trackskippy]

Its a shame we've given up our rights and allowed our servants to tell us what and what not we are allowed to do or have. Something like that would be cool if it had a selector. I don't see any point in asking permission and spending $200 to put a stock on it.

Wonder whatever happened to the "Land of the free....."?

 

[luv2safari]

Anyone have specifically the S&W response or FPC? I also like the PSA PX9. I have been going back and forth on an AR and after some thinking i have come to the conclusion that maybe a PCC would be more beneficial. Cheaper ammo, i can use it for club shooting games in the summer and it would be good for HD.

I only have experience with HI Point and the AK 9mm so I’m wondering has anyone bought one and hated it? How’s accuracy out to 50yards?

The only time I enjoy one is when I'm blowing off someone else's ammo. The closest I've owned were a couple of M1 carbines, and they were so inaccurate that I didn't enjoy them at all. I had them back when surplus ammo and magazines were dirt cheap.

I can see them as a tool for LEO or the military for confined close quarters work where saturation fire is a good tactic.

Where we do our hunting they would not be legal for the most part, while a handgun in a magnum round is. Go figure...??

 

[CraigC]

Its a shame we've given up our rights and allowed our servants to tell us what and what not we are allowed to do or have. Something like that would be cool if it had a selector. I don't see any point in asking permission and spending $200 to put a stock on it.

Wonder whatever happened to the "Land of the free....."?

Save yourself some money and trouble and just put a brace on it.

 

[trackskippy]

Save yourself some money and trouble and just put a brace on it.

That seems to be the usual answer these days. No one seems to want to poke the bear and address the real problem. Which is really nothing new. 34, 68, 86, etc have all been allowed to stand and left, and I doubt anything going forward will be challenged either.

Living in fear of your servants is a terrible thing, but I suppose the way things continue to go, that too is nothing new and will only continue to get worse.

 

[GRIZ22]

I have 4 Hi Point carbines. 50 yard groups.
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Your 45 shoots much better than mine.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

I shoot cast bullets in it. I'll have to test jacketed next time out.

 

[CraigC]

That seems to be the usual answer these days. No one seems to want to poke the bear and address the real problem. Which is really nothing new. 34, 68, 86, etc have all been allowed to stand and left, and I doubt anything going forward will be challenged either.

Living in fear of your servants is a terrible thing, but I suppose the way things continue to go, that too is nothing new and will only continue to get worse.

There's too many of "them" to get enough votes to overturn the NFA and GCA. For right now, I think we're having to fight hard enough to keep what we have. Not the hill I want to die on but you do you.

 

[trackskippy]

There's too many of "them" to get enough votes to overturn the NFA and GCA. For right now, I think we're having to fight hard enough to keep what we have. Not the hill I want to die on but you do you.

Thats the problem, everyone is so scared and too afraid that they are going to lose their favorite thing, so they keep their heads down, mouths shut and don't rock the boat. Fear sells and business is great!

I saw the writing on the wall back when Regan screwed us in 86. The NRA and others did nothing to even warn us it was coming, and as usual, they still do nothing, other than continue to stoke the fear so they can keep making money. They need all the drama just as much as those who are in power. I was a member then and that was the last year I sent them a dime.

I was involved with a group of machine gun owners that came together at the time who were trying to get things turned around and going, but as you said, it was a hill, and its basically a Fudd/Sportsmans Mountain. Having been involved with and living in the NFA realm since basically birth, Ive personally dealt with quite a few that would gladly give you up and throw you under the bus, if they thought they would be left alone, and have actually had people tell me that. I have no illusions where we are and where we will continue to go. And unfortunately, I think the point of no return could soon be here if not already past. Hundreds of millions of guns don't mean a thing if no one does anything to keep them.

And its too bad, especially for guns like the ones in this thread. The real versions are viable tools, when not neutered, and fun as hell to shoot to boot. Unfortunately, most these days wont ever get a chance to know, let alone actually learn to shoot one, and that sucks.

On a more positive note, I have been seeing more and more people are starting to wise up about and understand what our government actually is, and where the power they claim and use against us actually lies and applies. Thats more likely a path to take to get things restored, and in all directions, to where it needs to be. But that mountain and fear is still there, nd continues to hold us back.

 

[PO2Hammer]

I’ve had many in 9mm and 357, a few other calibers, liked every one.
Currently just the Ruger PCC. Very impressive accuracy, great handling, likes my hand loads.

 

[CraigC]

Thats the problem, everyone is so scared and too afraid that they are going to lose their favorite thing, so they keep their heads down, mouths shut and don't rock the boat. Fear sells and business is great!

I saw the writing on the wall back when Regan screwed us in 86. The NRA and others did nothing to even warn us it was coming, and as usual, they still do nothing, other than continue to stoke the fear so they can keep making money. They need all the drama just as much as those who are in power. I was a member then and that was the last year I sent them a dime.

I was involved with a group of machine gun owners that came together at the time who were trying to get things turned around and going, but as you said, it was a hill, and its basically a Fudd/Sportsmans Mountain. Having been involved with and living in the NFA realm since basically birth, Ive personally dealt with quite a few that would gladly give you up and throw you under the bus, if they thought they would be left alone, and have actually had people tell me that. I have no illusions where we are and where we will continue to go. And unfortunately, I think the point of no return could soon be here if not already past. Hundreds of millions of guns don't mean a thing if no one does anything to keep them.

And its too bad, especially for guns like the ones in this thread. The real versions are viable tools, when not neutered, and fun as hell to shoot to boot. Unfortunately, most these days wont ever get a chance to know, let alone actually learn to shoot one, and that sucks.

On a more positive note, I have been seeing more and more people are starting to wise up about and understand what our government actually is, and where the power they claim and use against us actually lies and applies. Thats more likely a path to take to get things restored, and in all directions, to where it needs to be. But that mountain and fear is still there, nd continues to hold us back.

I don't live in fear but would hope everyone does what they can to avoid felonies, prison time and a loss of their ability to own firearms. Especially when the difference is so stupid to begin with. Law, it's what separates us from the animals. Has not a damned thing to do with Fudds but those other folks who learned everything they know from Hollywood and think we shouldn't own guns at all. Let alone those evil machineguns and silencers.

Not really sure why you've taken us down this path. Methinks this is probably not the place to advocate committing felonies or rebellion.

 

[trackskippy]

Who said anything about committing felonies or crimes? Im simply saying people need to actually do something to keep and regain thier rights, instead of trying to appease those who would take them from us and those afraid of the people doing it enough to help them, hoping to keep what they have. I get it, and I see we think differently.

And this path needs to come up and be gone down every time there's a discussion on stuff like this, so people know it is their right, and legal to own and possess the "real" versions of a lot of these guns, and that things need to be changed to regain our rights that are being suppressed and we are being deprived of.

Or, we can just keep hoping that if we are good little childrens, we might be allowed to keep a thing or two, if we just follow "their"rules, and make it easy on them and give up "our" rights.

Im still thinking the new wave of people exploring and understanding what the UCC and the "US" government have to do with things here, and that there is a difference between being a "US citizen" and what that means, vs being a resident of one of the nation states of the "united states of America". Those couple of states, like Montana, and now Texas are starting to catch on and I think headed in the right direction. Now if we can just get the rest of us to get educated and join in, we might just get our rights back.

Just think of it, we could then return to being free people, do what we want, own anything and everything we want, without restriction and asking for permission from those who supposedly work for us. Would be grand, would it not?

 

[CraigC]

I get it, and I see we think differently.

No, we're talking about different things and you're arguing against points that were never made. The NFA and GCA should be repealed but wishing for it and making it happen are two different things.

And only a fool disregards the law because of how they 'think' it should be, versus how it actually is.

 

[trackskippy]

Who, besides you, said ANYTHING about disregarding any law?

You keep posting up neutered sub-guns and I was just saying/reminding we need to get our rights back so we can be free again and have the "real thing" and anything else we want. Believe it or don't, but that is "supposed" to be one of our "rights.

Some of us have done more than wish about things, and to the point of exasperation too, and it would be nice if more would, but I know, its easier to just come on here and be negative about it and some like you, act like those of us bringing it up and questioning it, are supporting violating things versus changing and restoring things. Far from it.

I still get it though, and you do you, but it would be nice if everyone at least made the effort. Thats always been the depressing thing about all this. Everyone likes to bitch, but no one is willing to get off their butts and actually do something. We have enough people to make this work, but its going to take a little actual work.

 

[CraigC]

Call it "neutered" if you want, it ain't a water pistol. Personally I'm glad we're able to enjoy the merits of the SBR without a tax stamp, or asking permission to cross state lines. The ATF rule change has been defeated in court, which maybe you should rejoice in rather than running this thread off the rails with your rants.

Who, besides you, said ANYTHING about disregarding any law?

You keep posting up neutered sub-guns and I was just saying/reminding we need to get our rights back so we can be free again and have the "real thing" and anything else we want. Believe it or don't, but that is "supposed" to be one of our "rights.

Some of us have done more than wish about things, and to the point of exasperation too, and it would be nice if more would, but I know, its easier to just come on here and be negative about it and some like you, act like those of us bringing it up and questioning it, are supporting violating things versus changing and restoring things. Far from it.

I still get it though, and you do you, but it would be nice if everyone at least made the effort. Thats always been the depressing thing about all this. Everyone likes to bitch, but no one is willing to get off their butts and actually do something. We have enough people to make this work, but its going to take a little actual work.

You certainly implied it. You make a lot of weird assumptions. I guess you're the only one fighting for rights, huh? Must get lonely up there. Yeah, we need to repeal those laws (think I already said that) but running this thread off the rails won't accomplish that. We have a lot bigger fish to fry than a federal law that we've been living with for 90 friggin' years. Repealing the NFA can wait. If we don't make necessary changes in the next 12 months we won't have a country to save but this isn't the time or place for that discussion. Or any other argument you're attempting to make. Maybe take them to the legal forum.