Yup. I misunderstood you. Sorry.
Who's had a 'negligent discharge'??
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Was in my bedroom closet safe depositing a S&W 9mm "Walther" PPKS. I used to keep loaded firearms in my safe way back when...I know...I know...I don't anymore.
Anyway - racked a round into the pistol, used the hammer drop to put it on Safe and ultimately in double action Condition 1, and BOOM. Negligent discharge through a robe and a really nice suit coat, into the outside facing wall and never made it through the brick. I couldn't figure out what I did wrong. I quickly discovered that S&W had a recall on these pistols because of this exact issue. Needless to say, I was at the gun store the next week trading it in.
Anyway - racked a round into the pistol, used the hammer drop to put it on Safe and ultimately in double action Condition 1, and BOOM. Negligent discharge through a robe and a really nice suit coat, into the outside facing wall and never made it through the brick. I couldn't figure out what I did wrong. I quickly discovered that S&W had a recall on these pistols because of this exact issue. Needless to say, I was at the gun store the next week trading it in.
Reminds me of a saying: There are two types of motorcycle riders, those who have had a fall, and those who haven't, YET.
Never get complacent.
I have a hole in the wall of my mancave due to mishandling a Glock about 7 years ago.
Got back from the range and was putting my guns up in the cabinet. I usually checked the action of the gun, inserted an empty magazine, dropped the slide and pulled the trigger to store it. Well, as near as I can tell, I had a partial magazine of 9mm SD ammo in one of the magazines. If i remember correctly, I was just trying out a couple to see if i liked how they shot but didn't want to burn through them. So there was probably 3 left in the magazine of my glock 26. I didn't pay any attention, didnt feel the weight difference of the few rounds, slid in the mag, dropped the slide, pointed the gun down and away towards the wall, and BANG! Ears ringing, hand shaking, dropped the mag and saw a few rounds still in loaded. Stupid, but nothing worse than a hole in the wall. Spackled it rough, but left it un painted. Reminder.
Now when I store my guns I keep them unloaded without the magazines and triple check them. Obviously my carry and HD guns are loaded, but guns that are just going to the range and back into the safe are no longer stored with their magazines which kept in labeled ammo tins.
Got back from the range and was putting my guns up in the cabinet. I usually checked the action of the gun, inserted an empty magazine, dropped the slide and pulled the trigger to store it. Well, as near as I can tell, I had a partial magazine of 9mm SD ammo in one of the magazines. If i remember correctly, I was just trying out a couple to see if i liked how they shot but didn't want to burn through them. So there was probably 3 left in the magazine of my glock 26. I didn't pay any attention, didnt feel the weight difference of the few rounds, slid in the mag, dropped the slide, pointed the gun down and away towards the wall, and BANG! Ears ringing, hand shaking, dropped the mag and saw a few rounds still in loaded. Stupid, but nothing worse than a hole in the wall. Spackled it rough, but left it un painted. Reminder.
Now when I store my guns I keep them unloaded without the magazines and triple check them. Obviously my carry and HD guns are loaded, but guns that are just going to the range and back into the safe are no longer stored with their magazines which kept in labeled ammo tins.
Boy - tht had to be REALLY loud in that setting.
Styx , aka OP - Did some occurrence in this thread prompt your comment? (he asked , treading into "probably shouldn't go there" land...)
Styx
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I was responding to you in this thread because I couldn't respond in the other.
chamokaneman
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Not a discharge but years ago I came home from hunting, closed the open bolt on my Sav 110, pointed it at the ceiling and was about to pull the trigger but thought at the last second i better actually look. Opened the bolt, and out popped a live round. I just about threw up.
Thinking about it...on the drive out of the wood, I had bailed out of the truck after something and only got as far as pushing the bolt forward without rotating it down and not realizing a round made it out of the magazine into the chamber. Sat there all the way home and into the house. Almost put a hole in my roof. Sobering.
Thinking about it...on the drive out of the wood, I had bailed out of the truck after something and only got as far as pushing the bolt forward without rotating it down and not realizing a round made it out of the magazine into the chamber. Sat there all the way home and into the house. Almost put a hole in my roof. Sobering.
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Nooit ooit. Never. I suppose they do happen, which is why everyone must constantly be vigilant about keeping their muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Further, at the risk of sounding preachy, I much prefer the term negligent discharge over accidental discharge.
Armybrat
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About 30 years ago I shot myself in the nuts.... with an old tear gas pen.
It was sitting long forgotten on a closet shelf when I pulled it off, and unbeknownst to me the “thumb bolt” was in cocked position and yours truly inadvertently tripped it to fire.
Luckily the little gas canister had lost most of its potency over a couple of decades, but the thing still made a loud bang and the concussion was strongly felt in the family jewels region.
It was sitting long forgotten on a closet shelf when I pulled it off, and unbeknownst to me the “thumb bolt” was in cocked position and yours truly inadvertently tripped it to fire.
Luckily the little gas canister had lost most of its potency over a couple of decades, but the thing still made a loud bang and the concussion was strongly felt in the family jewels region.
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In fifty five years of possessing and operating guns, I've had several shots fired from the gun I was holding that I did not intend. No one was ever injured, only one accident involved the destruction of property (quite minor) and my large intestine and bladder never released.
Most were on a range, one I had loaded a semi-automatic pistol preparing to shoot, and then change grip and squeezed my hand at the wrong moment. No one on line noticed and the bullet impacted someone closer than the twenty-five yard line. (1974) Another was loading a semi-automatic pistol; I inserted a round in the chamber and dropped the slide. The round fired. It was happily pointing down range over the firing bench. Later my "gun-elf" explained the extractor can slow down the slide allowing the firing pin to move forward, igniting the primer. (1979) I believed him and do not do that anymore. Once I inadvertently fired a round while 'fooling around' with a handgun when I should not have been. Broke a small vase and the bullet expended itself on a fireplace. (long ago.)
That's all I remember (and I remember them quite well!) so I do not think there were any more. Having carried a sidearm for at least twenty-eight years as a lawman and some ten years after as a licensed concealed weapon carrier, I am delighted to report no injuries or near misses to my person (or anyone else) in the pursuit of my duties.
The two shots fired on the range were somewhat different in my mind that the 'fireplace' incident. All three were my responsibility, the fireplace adventure was directly due to my 'fiddling' - which I knew was not a good idea (or would have had I considered the matter).
None since then (he said just before cranking off a round into the ceiling). I am quite aware and respectful of how easily things can go wrong. I do not advocate 'fear', but a healthy respect, a degree or two less than 'fear'.
To paraphrase the 'most interesting man in the world', "Stay cautious, my friend".
Most were on a range, one I had loaded a semi-automatic pistol preparing to shoot, and then change grip and squeezed my hand at the wrong moment. No one on line noticed and the bullet impacted someone closer than the twenty-five yard line. (1974) Another was loading a semi-automatic pistol; I inserted a round in the chamber and dropped the slide. The round fired. It was happily pointing down range over the firing bench. Later my "gun-elf" explained the extractor can slow down the slide allowing the firing pin to move forward, igniting the primer. (1979) I believed him and do not do that anymore. Once I inadvertently fired a round while 'fooling around' with a handgun when I should not have been. Broke a small vase and the bullet expended itself on a fireplace. (long ago.)
That's all I remember (and I remember them quite well!) so I do not think there were any more. Having carried a sidearm for at least twenty-eight years as a lawman and some ten years after as a licensed concealed weapon carrier, I am delighted to report no injuries or near misses to my person (or anyone else) in the pursuit of my duties.
The two shots fired on the range were somewhat different in my mind that the 'fireplace' incident. All three were my responsibility, the fireplace adventure was directly due to my 'fiddling' - which I knew was not a good idea (or would have had I considered the matter).
None since then (he said just before cranking off a round into the ceiling). I am quite aware and respectful of how easily things can go wrong. I do not advocate 'fear', but a healthy respect, a degree or two less than 'fear'.
To paraphrase the 'most interesting man in the world', "Stay cautious, my friend".
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I haven't, but my Dad did. He had his Enfield .303 in the back of his '57 Pontiac Super Chief? Reached back to grab it and forgot he had a round chambered. Blew a nice hole through the side of the car. He told us the story many years later. After we heard the story, none of my brothers or I would let him handle a firearm around us again.
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Trunk Monkey
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That's not a negligent discharge.
Really? If I dropped the hammer in a bullet trap and it went off, then it would be accidental. Any time a firearm discharges in an uncontrolled manner is negligent.
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But that wasn't due to your negligence. That was a genuine malfunction of the gun. That didn't happen because you were being unsafe. That would have happened to anyone that did it anywhere and at any time.
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IMO if your gun breaks it’s not a ND. AD is appropriate in these cases. You didn’t do anything wrong.
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I’m not quite sure how you call your SECOND ND anything BUT!?? YOU pulled the trigger on a live round when you “thought” the chamber was empty, right? So, what’s your confusion? But then you go on to scold someone else? When you’ve had TWO? Doesn’t sound like you learned anything.
I’m pretty hard on people with ND’s. I’ve never. I’ve always made a point to check things over & over again. And even when I started shooting at 12, I had an instinctive fear of pulling the trigger without checking things over & over. And then doing, the weapon is ALWAYS down range, or pointed at the dirt! Never at my foot...a wall..the curling, etc. I just don’t understand that?? The language for an ND just doesn’t exist to me.
New shooters doing it...ok.. I can understand that. But I really don’t understand how anyone who has been shooting for any length of time can have it happen. Not talking about accidental. Meaning, a firearm’s malfunction whatnot. I mean PULLING THE TRIGGER....even the ones where your finger just “slipped”... give me a break! And not only one...but anyone having TWO? Or more?? Means you never learned correct safety.
When these threads come up on forums, I always say the same things..just like here. Had one guy quote me and reply, “I can’t wait until you come back talking about your first ND!” Pretty sick....guy was hoping it would happen to me. I’m sure some of you are thinking that now. That’s fine. But it won’t. I don’t pull the trigger when I’m not supposed to. And my firearms aren’t “mysteriously” chambered when I always unload them. Oh...I also CHECK the chamber multiple times EVERY TIME I pick up a firearm! I’m sorry it sounds harsh, but being a new shooter is one thing. Those who did AFTER shooting for years & years, well, ok. Hope you actually learned this time. But now, those who have done it TWICE.... chances are...You’ll do it again.
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Like him! Oh... you don’t remember...but you think you should have said “you just ARE careless”?
He is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Very likely you will do it again. And your lax attitude about it is pretty shameful. I’m sorry but you shouldn’t handle firearms. I am glad you posted though so I can remember.
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I think we need a little clarification here. If you're talkin about homegirl at NTC that happened in 1993 . The other two incidents occurred in 2017.
Also you may want to get off your high horse long enough to read what I actually wrote. Both of the other two incidents I had I was standing on a firing range and I pointed weapon in a safe direction at the berm before I pulled the trigger. Also as I mentioned both times I had removed the magazine and pulled the slide to the rear to check the chamber. That sounds like a failure to extract to me. That's an actual malfunction of the firearm. My mistake was in not looking closely enough to ensure the chamber was clear.
Anyway I'm guessing that if you take this tone with everybody you interact with on this forum your tenure here won't be that long anyway so you have a nice day
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Let's call it a day. Remember to be safe, live and learn and help others to see the importance of handling firearms in a safe manner at all times.
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