Yup. I misunderstood you. Sorry.Okay?
Yup. I misunderstood you. Sorry.Okay?
Eh, I reiterate -- I grow weary of the sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier-than-thou folks who claim they've never had a "negligent discharge" (and never will) in their twenty to sixty years of being around firearms and shooting ...
It can -- and will -- happen to anyone. I bear personal witness and testimony to this. And I have spent my entire adult life (since 1975) amongst law enforcement and military personnel who have more experience with firearms than all the citizen hobbyists hereabouts put together.
The first step is acceptance ... As Riomouse says:
... bedroom closet safe ...
I was responding to you in this thread because I couldn't respond in the other.Boy - tht had to be REALLY loud in that setting.
Styx , aka OP - Did some occurrence in this thread prompt your comment? (he asked , treading into "probably shouldn't go there" land...)
Was in my bedroom closet safe depositing a S&W 9mm "Walther" PPKS. I used to keep loaded firearms in my safe way back when...I know...I know...I don't anymore.
Anyway - racked a round into the pistol, used the hammer drop to put it on Safe and ultimately in double action Condition 1, and BOOM. Negligent discharge through a robe and a really nice suit coat, into the outside facing wall and never made it through the brick. I couldn't figure out what I did wrong. I quickly discovered that S&W had a recall on these pistols because of this exact issue. Needless to say, I was at the gun store the next week trading it in.
Really? If I dropped the hammer in a bullet trap and it went off, then it would be accidental. Any time a firearm discharges in an uncontrolled manner is negligent.That's not a negligent discharge.
Really? If I dropped the hammer in a bullet trap and it went off, then it would be accidental. Any time a firearm discharges in an uncontrolled manner is negligent.
IMO if your gun breaks it’s not a ND. AD is appropriate in these cases. You didn’t do anything wrong.Was in my bedroom closet safe depositing a S&W 9mm "Walther" PPKS. I used to keep loaded firearms in my safe way back when...I know...I know...I don't anymore.
Anyway - racked a round into the pistol, used the hammer drop to put it on Safe and ultimately in double action Condition 1, and BOOM. Negligent discharge through a robe and a really nice suit coat, into the outside facing wall and never made it through the brick. I couldn't figure out what I did wrong. I quickly discovered that S&W had a recall on these pistols because of this exact issue. Needless to say, I was at the gun store the next week trading it in.
When I was 12/13 years old I had a negligent discharge and almost killed my best friend. I became ABSOLUTELY ANAL about firearms safety because of it. Guns scare me a little and as long as they do I'll stay safe.
There were two other incidents that happened while I was shooting on the range that I'm not sure exactly fit the definition but they scared the Hell out of me.
Both times I had finished shooting. I dropped my magazine, racked the slide, pointed the gun down range at the berm and pulled the trigger to decock the striker and BANG!!!!! I still don't know what happened. I think it was a failure to extract(?). Either way the gun isn't unloaded until I see daylight in the chamber. Every time I inspect the chamber I hear Kathy Jackson saying "Physically check the chamber your eyes can lie!".
The only other ND I was even tangentially involved in was an NCO at NTC who accused me of putting a blank round in the chamber of her M16. While she was ranting at me I told her that if she picked up that weapon without checking the chamber it was 100% on her. She was doing the fish out of water thing while I was walking away and I never heard another word about it
I've had three that I can recall. The circumstances? I don't remember. Really, I was just careless.
I’m not quite sure how you call your SECOND ND anything BUT!?? YOU pulled the trigger on a live round when you “thought” the chamber was empty, right? So, what’s your confusion? But then you go on to scold someone else? When you’ve had TWO? Doesn’t sound like you learned anything.
When these threads come up on forums, I always say the same things..just like here. Had one guy quote me and reply, “I can’t wait until you come back talking about your first ND!” Pretty sick....guy was hoping it would happen to me. I’m sure some of you are thinking that now. That’s fine. But it won’t. I don’t pull the trigger when I’m not supposed to. And my firearms aren’t “mysteriously” chambered when I always unload them. Oh...I also CHECK the chamber multiple times EVERY TIME I pick up a firearm!