Why a folding knife? or not?

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Ok so I have no idea about knives. Just to let you know from the beginning.

What are the pros and cons to having a knife that folds?
What are the pros and cons to having a knife that doesn't fold?

Anything that will let me know how you chose a knife (other then looks) to get or to carry.

Gus
 
Advantages of fixed blades are they are somewhat stronger because there is no pivot, and they are easier to clean, which matters more than you would think if you are a hunter.

The big advantage of a folder is it is safer to carry.

Which one to chose depends on what you want to do with it. Most people have a folder for a pocket knife and go to a fixed blade for harder work. These are not hard and fast rules. My advise is to ignore the cheap stuff and go for a decent quality knife. It doesn't have to be outrageously expensive, just stay away from the junk.
 
Fixed is faster to put into action. No lock to depend on to use safely. Generally preferable from a using/safety standpoint.

There are possible problems with local laws for carry of a fixed (or folding) blade, but you can find the answers to those my looking at findlaw or alllaw.
 
I have two fixed blades, one for cooking and one for tacticality...I carry neither because it's a felony to carry a concealed fixed blade in CA and I'm not big into open carry unless I'm at the range or a barbecue.

Folders are more socially acceptable here, so that's why I'm into them...I think it depends largely on your legal climate, carry a fixed blade if you can, but folders are more fun to collect, and good for backup.
 
1. Decide what you want the knife or knives to do...hunting, skining, cooking, self defense, opening envelopes, collecting.

2. Check out your local laws if it is to be carried.

3. Buy nothing that you do not know what steel it is made from, get a good quality steel. The design of the blade will depend on what you need it for. Buy quality.

4. If the knife is for self defense get trained by a professional, like Brownie.

5. Don't plan on buying just one...they are more adictive than chocolates with cream fillings.

:rolleyes:
 
I choose to simplify the advantages
A folder can be carried in your pocket A fixed blade can be as big as you are able and willing to carry.
I always have a folder on me. Its unobtrusive and with practice you can deploy a folder as fast as any fixed blade
Faster if you have an Emerson Commander
Blade design? I personally avoid the hooked blades and anything with too fine of a point. Fime points are fragile and I might need to pry something. (I know folks are shuddering, but hey! its a tool and tools are meant to be used)
Other than the above limitations I choose a blade from a maker that I trust (Benchmade, Emerson, CRKT or Gerber) that has a blade design I think is cool.
 
haha

Um I want at least one to carry and one to have, to "collect" (oh and 1 is a minimum.)

The uses will range. Self defense with the carry and one for on our annual canoe trip. We get a lot of rattlesnakes there. So a knife for killing, skinning, and whatever is one I plan on getting. It impresses some of the guys and totally grosses out the girls.

I'm not into chocolates with cream fillings, just give me straight dark chocolate. :neener:

Gus
 
It impresses some of the guys and totally grosses out the girls.

Unless your guy friends are wusses like some of the guys I know... :rolleyes:

Worm: "Yeah, but guns are made for killing people...with knives you have to--"
Emerson Commander: TTHHHWWWAAACKKKK!!!
 
(oh and 1 is a minimum.)

Indeed. Knives are as bad as guns, just a little bit cheaper (which means it's easier to rationalize buying one). For everyday carry I'd recommend getting a folding knife. As mentioned, it is illegal in some states to carry a fixed blade knife and folders are just more comfortable for day to day carry. A couple suggestions:

Smith & Wesson SWAT: An excellent entry-level folder. Under $40 for most models. Smith & Wesson is a gun company originally (duh) but they make good knives too. Check some out here

Benchmade: One of the best mass-production folding knives you can get. More expensive than a SWAT but worth it. Look around here at the different models. I personall recommend the Stryker, AFCK, Ares, and McHenry Williams lines.

Spyderco: Another very good qualtiy knife. I don't have a lot of experience with them. My one hangup with Spyderco is that (unlike Smith & Wesson and Benchmade) there knives are designed to be opened one-handed, but not closed one handed. Being able to get the knife out and cut something one handed is more important, but being able to put it away one handed is also really nice. Look at them here

Other possibilities: Kershaw, Gerber, SOG, others www.knifecenter.com is an excellent source of information and is also one of the cheapest places I know of to get knives. All the links above are from knifecenter. I'd encourage you to look around and see what grabs your fancy. Also, if at all possible, find a place locally that sells these knives and look at them firsthand. I have ordered knives off the Internet before and sometimes they aren't quite what you expect. Knifecenter is good about returns, but best if you don't have to deal with that.

For camping, killing, skinning, grossing people out I would recommend a fixed blade. They are bigger and better equipped for those jobs. A few suggestions:

Ka-Bar: A classic. $40-50 for an excellent knife. Lots of models here I'd recommend the U.S.M.C. fighting knives.

SOG: Usually expensive, but superb quality. I have a Government Agent that I'm very pleased with. One hang up, SOG has gone to Kydex sheaths (more on that below). If you wander around Ebay you can find older models with nylon sheaths. That's my recommendation. Check out their knives here

Benchmade Nimravus: Nice mid-sized fixed blade. All the good things I said about Benchmade. Over $100, so it might not be a good choice for a first knife. Here

And now, Kydex sheaths. This is a good example of what they look like. I hate them with a passion. I'll state that up front. My reasons... One, because of their design (two piece of Kydex riveted together) they have to be very wide to have room for the rivets along the outside. Two, the Kydex is very tough on the blades. I had Kydex sheath for a while. After a very short time scratch marks were showing up on the blade of my knife just from taking it out and putting it away. In point of fact, it probably doesn't wreck the knife. But it looks bad. I don't like them. If you don't mind they are tough, durable sheaths and some people like them. I'm not one of those people.
That's my thoughts on knives. Get a good one, you won't regret it. If you have questions feel free to post them.
 
Last thoughts...

The big advantage of a folder is it is safer to carry.

Mmmmm. Safer in what regard? Cuz I've been using a fixed blade (my own) since I was about 12 for camping and never injured myself. :scrutiny: I have, however, cut myself more than once with my folders over the years. Rule number one: Don't put a slender piece of tubing against your index finger as a backstop and think you can "stop when you get through it." :D

I'm not into chocolates with cream fillings, just give me straight dark chocolate

You and my mother would get along very nicely. O wait, don't tell your dad I want to introduce you to my parents. He might not take it right... :evil:
 
Phantom Warrior, I think you got something caught in your kydex sheath like a piece of grit or sand. Kydex is not harder than steel, by itself it couldn't scratch steel, but because it is formed to a specific knife shape, it will be a snug fit. If foreign matter gets in the sheath, its going to gouge the blade whenever you sheath and unsheath your knife.
Kydex is a lot better for storing knives tha leather it won't retain moisture to rust your blade and it won't leach tanning acids etc onto your blade like leather will.
 
Well I guess I should have said that a folder is more convenient to carry in a pocket, but what I meant is a folder that stays folded will never do any damage. A fixed blade, even carried in a pack or bag, can stab through a flimsy sheath if pressure is applied in the wrong way. Usually this is no problem as a quality sheath is not flimsy, but it can happen.
 
Ok so yeah those pics got me drooling.

Unless your guy friends are wusses like some of the guys I know...

Skunk: yeah that's why I said "some".

Phantom Warrior: parents already? :uhoh: I didn't even meet you yet. ;) :D :neener:

Gus
 
Ok so I have no idea about knives. Just to let you know from the beginning.
Hey, ya gotta start somewhere! Also see www.bladeforums.com for a wealth of info.

What are the pros and cons to having a knife that folds?
What are the pros and cons to having a knife that doesn't fold?
It has been said that a folding knife is just a fixed blade that has already been broken.

Except for Striders. ;)

Seriously, many good points have already been raised. Keep in mind though; I've read stories of folders coming open on their own. Some even require periodic maintenance, such as tightening of screws and stuff.

As far as pros and cons, well, the list is huge. Just a few off the top of my head:

-Folders are generally more compact & easier to carry. A lot more options for carrying them.

-Folders are generally weaker than fixed, as I said.

Anything that will let me know how you chose a knife (other then looks) to get or to carry.
As with anything, you get what you pay for.

This has already been discussed at length in another thread where I said that I only want the best of everything, which IMO means Striders. (Or Busse for fixed blades in addition to Striders.)

Actually, there's a thread going on right now at bladeforums titled, "What's as tough as Strider Folders."

The general consensus is; if you want a knife as tough as a Strider, buy a Strider. :)

Here are some interesting knives you should look at: http://www.hideawayknife.com/main.php

They are small, concealable, non-folding knives that seem to me to be excellent last-ditch defensive weapons. (That is what they were designed as, actually.)

They also seem like they would be quite useful for everyday stuff too.

Anyhow, if you don't want to spend $300 or so on a Strider folder/fixed blade, just stay with the "big" brands and you should be fine.

Examples are; benchmade, spyderco, cold steel.

Hope this helps!
 
Like Skunk said above, my local laws made it a no-brainer to go with a folder (and keep it under, I think 3", for LA county). Your local laws will certainly vary. Same deal for policies at work. My company's anti-violence policy only allows 3" and under on-the-job.
 
Penforhire, interesting name, are you a journalist or something? Do they also have an anti-libel policy where only mechanical pencils with .5mm or less are allowed on the job?? :banghead:

LA county has a 3" and under rule??? :eek:
 
Phantom Warrior: parents already? I didn't even meet you yet.

Since I mentioned my mom and there's always the thing about the mother-in-law and...yeah. Lame joke. Just joking, of course. I have a serious case of what my 9th grade electronics teacher called "terminal SA" or "terminal smart ***." He recognized it all the way back then. A perceptive man.

Regarding Kydex, Bigchoad may have been right. Don't let me turn you off without looking into it first. I didn't notice anything in the sheath, but I didn't examine it carefully. I still think they are wider than is comfortable.

Another good suggestion for fixed blades is Buck. My dad got one as a gift when he was a boy and he's still using it 30 years later. I used one for a while when I was younger. They are darn good knives.
 
In some areas, the laws favor folders. California is an extreme case: you can legally conceal any size folding knife, so long as it's not a switchblade or bali-song and so long as it's concealed in the fully closed position.

So I carry a 5.45" "megafolder" class piece in one of my own fully tuckable IWB rigs.

:cool:
 
Skunk, I'm an engineering manager for a multi-national electronics manufacturing company but I've done some trade journal articles and patents so I like to think I'm paid to write ... and the pen is mightier than the sword... and "penforhire" is cool enough but never taken by others so I get to use it for every forum and e-mail server.

I read that LA county law (3" folder blade length) off a website link, I think that was found here:

http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html
 
If you want to carry concealed then a folder is normally good. If you want to kill someone real good then get a fixed blade.
 
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