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This:
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No comparison! I'd never give up my model 19 which I purchased new in 1977.
vs this:
No comparison! I'd never give up my model 19 which I purchased new in 1977.
Why a Revolver?
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Whirlwind06
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I'm a hi-cap wonder 9 guy. But I'm seriously considering a J-frame or and Sp-101 right now. Revolvers are just cool looking. And at belly button range, they seem the best possible compromise of power and reliability.
Hawk
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Sometimes I treat their development as a goal of sorts.
But, I'd be willing to bet that the "firing from coat pocket" canard is both a spectacularly bad tactic and likely hasn't happened (intentionally and with a happy outcome) outside of gross conjecture. Even digging into what paper I have on DGUs, I have never seen the scenario invoked outside the confines of internet fora - specifically those threads extolling the virtues of revolvers. Probably not surprising as the scenario involves both contact close enough to preclude drawing the weapon but with sufficient distance that it may be pointed in the proper direction - these two distances are not generally seen occuring at the same time. If distance presents itself, the weapon should be drawn.
But, quite unlike the good fun we enjoy debating other points, the "pocket shot" IMHO actually offers a small but real potential of being read by people that might actually believe it and think that grappling with one hand while grasping a firearm in one's pocket is a servicable idea. Assuming the encounter is survived, he might well find he's been turned from a rooster to a hen.
I simply can not conceive of a situation where firing from one's pocket would be anything other than an enormous blunder. Whether this is a triumph of common sense or a failure of imagination on my part is up for grabs.
MrTuffPaws
Amen. I used to be all about autos. Then a few years ago I found myself going towards revolvers. At first I just wanted a S&W Model 28. Told myself that would be enough. Little did I know.
I may carry a Glock for my duty weapon, but at home it's all about wheelies.
Amen. I used to be all about autos. Then a few years ago I found myself going towards revolvers. At first I just wanted a S&W Model 28. Told myself that would be enough. Little did I know.
I may carry a Glock for my duty weapon, but at home it's all about wheelies.
I chose a S&W 686 7 shot revolver as my first handgun for home protection/worst case scenario protection. I have it loaded in my locked gun safe...and i feel like i can leave it there for 100 years, and in a moments notice unlock the safe and pull the trigger and not have a doubt in my mind that it will fire.
I have been told that leaving clips loaded with ammo for long periods of time can cause the springs to lose tension and lead to misfires...i don't know if thats true or not...but it crept in my mind that if i had a loaded mag sitting around for a while, it may not be reliable.
when i think of the word 'handgun', a revolver pops up in my head.
I have been told that leaving clips loaded with ammo for long periods of time can cause the springs to lose tension and lead to misfires...i don't know if thats true or not...but it crept in my mind that if i had a loaded mag sitting around for a while, it may not be reliable.
when i think of the word 'handgun', a revolver pops up in my head.
budiceman
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FOR ME! Reliable, can shoot light to heavy loads and spl to magnum! Cleaning, single or double action. SAVING your empties! If a shell dont go bang, just pull the trigger again.
2ndamd
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Nothing wrong with an auto.
I went to the range yesterday and rented an XD and a Taurus 24/7 both 9mm. I shot them both very well.
But I did not like shooting them as much as my GP100s and SP101s.
You just have to find what YOU like. Then practice and train with that set-up you choose. If you do that; you'll be fine when the baloon goes up.
I can't find any stag grips for the polymer autos though
I went to the range yesterday and rented an XD and a Taurus 24/7 both 9mm. I shot them both very well.
But I did not like shooting them as much as my GP100s and SP101s.
You just have to find what YOU like. Then practice and train with that set-up you choose. If you do that; you'll be fine when the baloon goes up.
I can't find any stag grips for the polymer autos though
Hawk
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Simplicity
Simplicity is one of those things so often applied to revolvers, one rarely sees the assertion questioned.
Revolvers are no doubt simpler in operation. But just picking two schematics at random:
1911
and
Python
Are they really simpler?
Do any mere mortals perform maintenance on their Python?
Do revolvers really exempt one from fretting about magazines or is a revolver's magazine simply stouter, rounder and attached to the firearm by means of a pivot? As example:
Python:
release magazine (unlatch cylinder)
load barrel-shaped magazine
insert magazine (latch cylinder)
pull trigger - bang!
Kahr:
release magazine
load magazine
insert magazine
rack slide (Aha! here's the extra step)
pull trigger - bang!
Is the omission of the "operate slide" step made up for by the complexity of working on the guts of the revolver? Which is simpler when all aspects are considered?
Is a Ruger way simpler than a Python, a Kahr easier than an STI racegun? Time to reevaluate the revolver's claim to simplicity or does it remain valid for the foreseeable future?
Just wonderin...
Simplicity is one of those things so often applied to revolvers, one rarely sees the assertion questioned.
Revolvers are no doubt simpler in operation. But just picking two schematics at random:
1911
and
Python
Are they really simpler?
Do any mere mortals perform maintenance on their Python?
Do revolvers really exempt one from fretting about magazines or is a revolver's magazine simply stouter, rounder and attached to the firearm by means of a pivot? As example:
Python:
release magazine (unlatch cylinder)
load barrel-shaped magazine
insert magazine (latch cylinder)
pull trigger - bang!
Kahr:
release magazine
load magazine
insert magazine
rack slide (Aha! here's the extra step)
pull trigger - bang!
Is the omission of the "operate slide" step made up for by the complexity of working on the guts of the revolver? Which is simpler when all aspects are considered?
Is a Ruger way simpler than a Python, a Kahr easier than an STI racegun? Time to reevaluate the revolver's claim to simplicity or does it remain valid for the foreseeable future?
Just wonderin...
Hawk
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Agreed, but what weapons have a non-zero liklihood of discharge due to simply being loaded?
I have heard of Garands lighting off the top round of an en-bloc clip if repeatedly loaded with the same round on top - apparently something to do with the floating firing pin although the tales are apocryphal.
Are there handguns that function similarly? I thought most had FPBs or, at minimum, a spring return on the firing pin that would inhibit a Garand-like "dent accumulation".
I'm just asking - haven't heard of loading-related ADs and now I'm curious.
MikePGS
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Very true. Just the other day I was looking at something or other (No idea if it was in a magazine or on the internet) that showed that the trigger for a revolver is actually more complex than it is for a pistol. That blew my mind. I just hope it was real and not something that happened in a dream
(I had a dream about me with half a dozen or so revolvers a few nights ago... it was awesome)Snubby 38
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Have many of both, but prefer the wheel guns. No specific reason other than you've got to like what you shoot....
A revolver is equally or more complex on the inside but those insides are very durable. Most people could own a revolver for their entire lifetime and never have to take the sideplate off.
The simplicity is in the operation. There is only one piece, not two (gun & magazine, which can get separated). There are no safeties, slide locks, or magazine releases to learn how to use. There is no need for two hands to clear a misfire or jam--just pull the trigger again. Any power level of ammo can be used interchangeably with no modifications required.
The simplicity is in the operation. There is only one piece, not two (gun & magazine, which can get separated). There are no safeties, slide locks, or magazine releases to learn how to use. There is no need for two hands to clear a misfire or jam--just pull the trigger again. Any power level of ammo can be used interchangeably with no modifications required.
bps3040
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Because it fits my pocket nicely and always goes bang.
beemerphile
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Strategic advantages.
You can pull a Jack Ruby and push it into the perp before firing.
You can fire it (the right one) from within your pocket.
It don't care if you weak hand limp wrist it.
It don't care what shape the bullet is.
It is more concealable (the right one) than a similarly powered pistol.
It doesn't know what a "stovepipe", FTF, or FTE is.
You can pull a Jack Ruby and push it into the perp before firing.
You can fire it (the right one) from within your pocket.
It don't care if you weak hand limp wrist it.
It don't care what shape the bullet is.
It is more concealable (the right one) than a similarly powered pistol.
It doesn't know what a "stovepipe", FTF, or FTE is.
JeremySmith
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The first gun I ever saw and said - I have to have that gun was a Super Redhawk. I was 13 at the time. My wife bought me one for my birthday a few years ago. Here's what I like:
- It just feels right in my hand
- Simple, no extra pieces. I hat to think how much I have wrapped up in 1911 mags
- If I ever have to shoot someone, and miss, the muzzle flash and concussion may scare them to death
- If I run out of cartriges, It'd make a nice club
- It just looks cool!
jr4521
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Theres that milisecond before you pull the trigger of a 44 mag. When the trigger breaks at 2.5 pounds and you are as still and solid as a marble statue.
BANG, then I get to do it 5 more times. I just dont get that same kind of love from my autos, I love my 1911s , deadly accurate but i do get something magical from the wheelguns.
BANG, then I get to do it 5 more times. I just dont get that same kind of love from my autos, I love my 1911s , deadly accurate but i do get something magical from the wheelguns.
Hawk
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I nominate this for best thread necromancy for February of '08.
Revolvers are an end in themselves, there's no need to invent reasons that don't stand up to even cursory scrutiny.
They're not appreciably more reliable if the degree of tie-up is factored against the frequency.
Nobody trains to shoot from one's pocket. No one in one's right mind would propose it as sound tactics.
They're not simpler. Magazine releases are no more complicated than cylinder releases. The innards are a nightmare.
"Just pulling the trigger again" isn't always a good idea (squib).
But they do have something...
And whatever it is, IMHO, doesn't need gilding by inventing "advantages" that aren't really there. They're plenty good enough taken on their own terms.
KelTecian
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Reliability + Classy
wuchak
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Hawk said:
Sure they do. There is a defensive shooting course coming up in my area that will have this as part of it. They will provide the jacket. It's a perfectly valid tactic for very close quarters.
One other good thing about revolvers is that they tend to give you some warning before fail. Seldom does a revolver just stop working.
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