My question is:Are you guys saying that this product is easy to get into, and it is not really a safe but a RSC?
Yes. A RSC is a UL rating given to a safe that can withstand an attack against a hammer and a long screwdriver for a period of 5 minutes.
Some RSCs are better than others. Some good safes don't waste their time on a UL RSC rating.
This collection is well into the 6 fig's.
Minimum UL TL-15 rating (or E rating), if your insurance company will allow it. They may require a higher rating. We just did an install at a local jewelry store. The insurance company requested two TL-15 units to store $300,000 worth of gems.
Even if your insurance company doesn't have a specific requirment, a TL-15 (E rate) is the lowest acceptable form of burglary resistance to protect that dollar range.
The liberty sales office had one that a customer owned and experienced a break in attempt. It looked as if they took a gas powered saw and cut most of the door panel. I can tell you the door panel is just a thick as it appears when the door is open. The burglars did not get into the safe, and liberty replaced the safe for free.
I'm fairly certain this is another marketing ploy by Liberty. Each Liberty dealer has a safe that experienced "an attempted burglary". As a professional, I can assure you that the safe at the local Liberty dealer here was not attacked with the intent to open the safe.
A gas powered saw would open even the highest end Liberty in less than 2 minutes. The thickest steel in a Liberty door is 1/4". Most of the Liberties use 10 gauge or 12 gauge doors wrapped around gypsum board.
My thoughts are that if someone wants to get into the safe they will put a gun to your childs head and say "open the safe".
That happens. This is why you don't want to advertise that you have a safe. This is also why you want a real safe professional to handle your delivery. They are usually bonded and/or insured, and undergo background checks. Many of the local sporting goods stores use moving companies to deliver these safes. There are a few ex cons working for these companies.
My plan was to add a sprinkler system, monitored alarm system, pepper spray triggered by alarm, and liberty safes. Am I nuts or is this plenty for all but the willing to kill type?
Liberty doesn't make any safe that I'd put more than $15-20K worth of items in.
For my neighborhood (avg. middle class) I doubt any thief would have the skill, more likely they would hold a gun on my wife & say open it up or else.
You're probably right. A sledgehammer will get into a gun safe in short order. A sledgehammer will only scratch the paint on a TL rated safe. The hammer will be broken long before the safe is anywhere near being opened.
Now I can spend $2500 today but the exterior depth of 31.5" limits where I can put it. It would stick out like a sore thumb anywhere in my house - and I ain't gonna re-model ever again in this lifetime no thank you (theives with jobs are called contractors no offense intended to any honest contractors out there)! I do have a detached 1 car garage that was converted to a studio apt many years ago. It has a raised wood floor but I could cut out a section and fill it with concrete.
I'd look at the AMSEC RF6528. It runs around $1,500 more, but it's set up to be a gun safe already.
If you're looking for a more shallow composite bodied tool rated safe, AMSEC makes them 29.5" in depth. You won't find them much more shallow, as the heavy doors make them tipsy.
Also keep in mind, that just like RSC's, some tool rated safes are built better than others. The rating is just a minimum set of requirements, and where one TL-15 may last 16 minutes, another may last 30. The better the safe, the higher the price.
Here is a specific question. Can I do better than the safe listed in the link?
Can you get a better safe? Yes. Can you get a better price? Chinese imports tend to be the lowest priced safes available. Before buying the safe, I would also contact Underwriters Laboratories and check to make sure the UL tag numbers are in fact licensed to that manufacturer. Chinese companies tend to play a little loose on the rules, and may be selling safes with bogus tags (and no burglar rating).
You may also be able to find a good deal on a used safe from a local safe dealer.
I could phone and get the steel gauge but say it is 10 or 12 gauge, it has 3" of cement with more in the door. At 2900 lbs I doubt it will be carried away. The studio apt is now my storage/workshop so there are a fair number of power tools around.
Those composite safes have thicker steel, even when they use the composite "concrete". These safes built out of plate are solid 1" walls, and 1.5" bodies. Whatever the composite safes are made of, they must have the same level of resistance.
I would rather get a safe that is wider and taller because I will accumulate more (hopefullY )...Is this the best for $2500? Can I spend $3000 and get somethin wider but maybe a bit lighter?
Yes, but it won't be a UL Tool rated safe. To get the lighter weight, you have to have lighter construction. Lighter construction = lower rating.
