Why bother reloading?

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I enjoy reloading when i can find the time and the supplies. Its a good way to learn more about balistics and how guns are affected by changes in powder and bullet weight. Normally its much easier for me to find used 308 and .45acp brass so there is no reason to pay big money for scarce ammo. I havnt bought factory .45acp in ages. I have at least one full big pickle bucket of .223 brass, so i wont have to buy any new .223 for a long time either.
 
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Yes it does matter. I've been kicking around reloading for the past 5 years, ever since ammo prices started creeping up. I asked the question because if it takes me 5 minutes to make a single .38 special cartridge, then it isn't worth *MY* time. I asked so that *I* can get an idea if it makes sense for *ME* to reload.


jcwit

How long does it take you to create the 3,000?
Does this really matter? Or do you put a dollar amount on every hour of every day you live?

This directed at those who keep telling us how much their time is worth.
 
Hey Onward, it depends on your setup. I have a lee classic turret press. I normally do 50 .357 rounds in around 30-40 mins. Some go faster than that, but I just take my time and I use my press like a single stage.
 
With my progressive press, I can load about 400 rounds an hour without really pushing it. The key is getting everything in the right place and working the press smoothly. I just finished loading 3,000 rounds of .38 Special and it took me two days, working at it a few hours each day.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
If you cant manage to sit in a quiet area for an hour or two with no distractions, then dont bother buying any reloading equipment. This is a hobby that requires patience and focus. You dont want to double-charge a case or miss one because you are being distracted by the phone, wife, kids, dogs etc etc. From that last post, Id say you probably dont have the time or the patience for this.
 
On my Lee Classic Turret doing 150-200 rounds an hour without pushing it is normal. This rate is for .357 and .44 magnum rounds. I've not tried rifle. It's a good press for a beginner too because you can use it as a single stage which is much slower.
 
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Hey Onward, it depends on your setup. I have a lee classic turret press. I normally do 50 .357 rounds in around 30-40 mins. Some go faster than that, but I just take my time and I use my press like a single stage.
So about 1 hour to make a box of .357. That's about 50% to 75% what I shoot (non-.22's) at the range per hour. If it brings the cost of the cartridges to 1/2 of what I would pay at the store, then for me it would make sense from a dollars perspective. Time as it relates to a hobby is a much lower factor (but a component nonetheless). If I had all the time in the world, I would probably spend a good 20% of it on shooting sports related activities.

Yes, for me everything does come down to numbers for the most part. I used to be in accounting/finance and now run an IT shop, so that's where my head is planted - numbers and systems. For me it is about getting the 10x as well as stretching the most out of my hobby. Different strokes.

BTW, thanks for the info.
 
I can reload 40 S&W ammo for 12 cents/round, or about $6/box, it takes me about an hour per box to load. Is saving 60% on the price of a box of ammo worth my time? Hell yes! Also, my handload's are more accurate and consistent than factory rounds, guarantee'd.

I can load .223 for about 22 cents/round, compared to 45-50 cents for factory ammo. Pretty close to a 50% savings again.

I can load .308 for 45 cents/round, most quality factory ammo runs 85 cents to a dollar/round. Pretty big savings here.

So if I do the math, its $120/1000 for 40 S&W, $220/1000 for .223 and $450/1000 for .308. You can easily double those numbers for factory ammo.

Its also how I enjoy spending my time, at the bench.:)
 
The '$$ my time is worth' argument ONLY applies to your hobbies if you are doing your hobbies using time for which you would otherwise be getting paid.

"No, I'm not going to shovel that neighbor's driveway in an hour for $25, I'm going to sit down and reload instead." OK, then THAT hour just cost you $25.

"I'm going to close the barber shop for two hours, lose $150 in income and reload." OK, those were $75 hours you just spent.

But other than that, there is a reason why they call it your "free time". How you spend your free time, especially on a "passtime", does not affect your income unles you were going to spend that free time working for hire?

Just sayin'.
 
As mentioned, the keys to saving are to buy components online in bulk... get that hazmat down to one or two bucks per thousand primers or lb of powder. Lower than that if you buy in truly big bulk.

Common calibers are where you save the *least*. For me it looks like this:

9mm: My cost is 11.5c a round = $11.50/100. I NEVER leave the range with less 9mm brass than I arrived with... WWB is around $22/100 right now. I am using a jacketed bullet in my load, same as WWB.

.40: My cost is around $15.30/100. Brass is not as common as 9mm, but common enough to still make it free. WWB is around $32/100 right now? I am using a jacketed bullet just like WWB.

Less common calibers, and loads with more exotic bullets is where you really save a high percentage. Examples:

My 77gr SMK loads, I am putting together for about $370/1000. Black Hills factory remanufactured with the same bullet is around $800/1000.

357sig: Assuming I purchase once fired brass for 5.7 cents each, and get five loads out of each case, and use one of the popular plated bullets out there, my cost will come to $16.44/100. I want to say WWB is around $45/100.


Some other thoughts:

-For handgun ammo, it really *is* all about the economy for me. I'm perfectly happy with the performance of WWB in my pistols, and saving money is my only motivator for them.

-For rifles, the savings is nice, and the performance increase is real nice too. I'm probably 50/50 on motivation there. Actually the only reason I can shoot match quality ammo/bullets in my rifles is because I handload: the factory stuff along this line can easily cost a buck or more per pop, and I wouldn't be willing to pay that. If I wanted to shoot a caliber like 6.8spc, I could do that too, where as in my pre-handloading days, I would never have even considered such a caliber due to the cost of *any* of the factory ammo.

-Unless you are manufacturing powder and primers in your basement, you aren't any more "self sufficent" than anyone buying factory ammo... One day you will run out of components and need to buy more, just like the next guy. If you don't handload and don't want to be subject to the immediate whims of the ammo market, you can buy tons of factory ammo, just like you can buy tons of components. Take it from someone who was trying to get into a couple new calibers over the summer: being a handloader does not make you immune to ammo and/or component shortages. Buying tons of "whatever" (be it components or loaded ammo) when it is available does.

-As far as time, it does take some time to reload, especially if you are doing it on a turret like I am. Brass prep is still the longest stage of the reloading process, regardless of caliber, for me. Let's just say you will get a *wide* array of opinions on how long it takes to reload. For me, a lot of brass prep, etc, gets done in front of the TV anyway, I don't consider it in my cost breakdown. I do it on evenings/weekends, i.e. I am not taking vacation hours during the day to reload, and don't have a second job that I would be doing instead, so the time is costing me nothing. Maybe others do it differently.
 
Redneck with a 40 said:
I can reload 40 S&W ammo for 12 cents/round, or about $6/box, it takes me about an hour per box to load. Is saving 60% on the price of a box of ammo worth my time? Hell yes! Also, my handload's are more accurate and consistent than factory rounds, guarantee'd.

I shoot .40 S&W exclusively myself, and in an average trip to the range I get those 50 rounds ready for reloading in about 3 minutes ;)

If your usage is anything like mine, my friend, you need a faster press :D
 
i disagree. while i would rather spend time doing something i like (shooting), it's not a bad hourly wage.

$470/k for prvi
$185/k for reloads
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$285/k difference

$285 / 2 hours = $142.5 per hour wage figuring it takes me about 1 hr for case prep and 1 hr to load on my dillon 1050

How dare you taliv! Don't you dare show people that reloading saves money even when you include a wage per hour into the calculation! No! Turn in your mod hat and get out or else these guys are going to get you

Or do you put a dollar amount on every hour of every day you live?

:)

AK, taliv is right, your math is shortsighted. It would be foolish to figure the hazmat on 1k of primers and 1# of powder. It would be better to get hustled at the gunshow than do it that way. Figure that you must max your hazmat, so you buy 4 8# kegs and 3 cases of primers (15k) for ~48lbs. That will amortize the cost over a much larger amount of rounds. With 5gr per load, 32lbs of powder will provide you ~44k rounds. Which means you next order will be 1 8# keg and 40k of primers. That should set you up for 2 years if you shoot 40k per year. I doubt you do, most people don't, so if you ordered once with two hazmats you could probably have enough components for 5 or even 10 years.

Want to save money? Go to your local gunshow, find an 06FFL, and ask them to piggyback on their component orders. You might not get exactly what you want but you will save money. I did it for years with a local 06. No hazmat, no shipping, just tax. They can't sell you OEM primers or OEM bullets they get under 06 agreements, but you can still save money.
 
I'll shoot a easy 5K a summer, so thats $1700 from wally world OR at Todays prices to reload

$881 for 5K FMJ 230gr
$550 for 5K lrn 230gr Stonewall cast bullets
$391 for 5K lrn 230gr if I buy alloy and cast
$211 for 5K lrn 230gr using 6pack wheel weights, figure I give the tire guy a 6 pack for enough to cast 1K:)
Complete turret set-up to reload $325 this is everthing needed
Complete casting set-up $210, 6 banger mold 20# bottom pour and used
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Would I shoot 5K a summer if I didn't cast and reload ?
No I'd shoot around 2K @ $680 which is pretty close to the start up cost of reloading/casting AND 5K of 6pack ammo :)

So from that point on I'll shoot 5k instead of 2K and save $470 doing it
Yes it is worth it :evil: The savings isn't $1500 as I wouldn't have been shooting $1700 in factory loads

Remember it's a hobby same as shooting so toss the time/$$ BS out the window
 
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I only shoot about 200 rounds of 40 S&W a month, so even at 1 box/hour, I can keep up with my round count. I don't want to spend $600 on a progressive press, when my $60 Lee 4-Hole Turret is getting it done.;):D
 
I reload with 2 single stage presses mounted side by side. One is one of the old cast alu. "C" frame presses by Lee and the other is an "O" press also by Lee. I have turrent presses and cast presses by both Lyman and RCBS but this just happenes to be how I like to do it. I reload in batches of 50 using loading blocks and can easily load 100 rounds per hour without rushing. This does not enclude priming as I do that with a hand primer while watching the news or O'Reilly.

I know that are much faster and more efficiant ways to do this but I like and enjoy my laid back way of doing something I like to do.
 
Dear AKMac: if you wish I will calculate MY reloading costs for you to 4 decimal places, and send you an Excel spreadsheet. I buy in fairly large quantities to ammortize the hazmat fees and happily can obtain both powders and primers locally. Your results will vary.

I've only been reloading for about 30 years, and I like wildcats so reloading is a necessity.

I hope you find peace in shooting, you probably won't be happy reloading. :D
 
There are busy people in the world, and there are rich people in the world. I am not high on either list. I find myself with a fair amount of free time (daughter is grown, wife has a job, my hours vary). BUT, I must be in the mood, with mind at ease, to sit down to concentrate on reloading. It is a GREAT winter "sport", though. When "cabin'd" up in the winter, knocking out some ammo for next spring/sumer/fall, for far less than I'd have to pay, is a great feeling. I will literally have thousands of rounds to enjoy when the weather permits (I live in Ohio). I heartily recommend it to the poor, winter-huddled masses who can find the time to do it. You will not regret it. Reloading can even be fun!
 
Onward:

I just a couple days ago cranked out some target range .357 Mags in my Lee Pro-1000 progressive press. I used my cast 158-grain lead semiwadcutters, 5 grains of Titegroup and Wolf primers. Total cost, with free range brass I pick up, was under $5 per hundred. I can run 200-250 an hour without trying hard, and 300 per hour if I work at it (but I like to go slower and take my time to make sure no errors creep up).

Plus, I loaded up some Speer Gold Dot HP's for hunting. Those cost about a buck a shot or more when you buy the loaded ammo, but I can make my own for less than 25 cents a shot. I think I bought the bullets a while ago cheap, so it may even be 20 cents a shot total cost.
 
If you buy in Bulk, probably from Powder Valley or Graf's, you should be able to reload centerfire large ammo such as .308 and .270, etc. for about 1/2 the price that you would buy in stores. With pistol and rifle ammo, you can save a little less than that, but you will get good quality brass-cased ammo for a fraction of the price of Wolf steel cased ammo. Buy in bulk,take advantage of deals, and you will save big time.
 
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